Although it is no surprise to see an bad news story for Typhoon from that website, it does beg the question, who will buy the Austrian Eurofighters (which must be veery low hours considering how horribly expensive they are to use)?
Part them out for spares for Eurofighter partners or buy them and store them to be able to do so in the future? Over the years I have heard a number of comments regarding the high price of Typhoon spares.
Shame that Tejas is not being produced in numbers so that some could be delivered to Austria within a reasonable time frame, allowing India to offer them to Austria.
how exactly is Boeing profitable when more than 50% of its components built outside US and it need EXIM bank help.
Like Bud says.
For example: an American company makes a product with 3 components. I’ll call them A, B and C. They need to be assembled to make the product. Let’s say each component costs $30 and assembly to make the product costs $10. Cost to manufacture the product is $100. Let’s say the manufacturer sells the product for $150. Profit = $50.
If you can buy A for $20 delivered to your US assembly plant from a different supplier (inside or outside the US), cost to manufacture the product drops from $100 to 90$. Let’s say the manufacturer sells the product for $150. Profit = $60.
JSR…
if Airbus really make ( assemble) 56% of world airllines efficiently and sell it market prices without EU banks expsoure (who needs its own baiouts). it wont need constant bailouts dealing with one transport project. i have feeling this Airbus fighter project is sneaky way of bailout.
Airbus and Boeing have dominated the 100+ seats airliner market for decades. Both companies will give deep, deep discounts if they really want a particular customer / a particular order. Is Airbus profitable on civil aircraft? Yes. Is Boeing profitable on civil aircraft? Yes. Do all sales make a profit? No. Initially civil airliners are made at a loss (cost more to manufacture and assemble than the amount customers pay) because the first customers are not going to pay much, much more than the price the manufacturer will want after production reaches breakeven. For example, if Boeing knew the first few hundred B787 would cost $400 million on average to make and Boeing wanted the customers to pay that for each one, there would be no sales of B787’s.
Military aircraft are different. They are bought by governments. After big and expensive development problems with the A400M Airbus told the government customers that they would not continue with the project unless the price was raised from the price in the contracts. If the governments had insisted that Airbus had to honour their contracts, Airbus would have survived financially but the governments buying the A400M nearly all accepted paying a higher price. In my opinion the governments were stupid to accept. They could have received their A400M’s at a much lower price. Instead of Airbus paying the bill for A400M development problems (which would reduce profits and dividends to shareholders), governments chose to pay.
aB9 wrote:
It does not make much sense to keep 2 production lines open, and a brand new Gripen C will never be cheaper than a used F-16. Also, there should be quite a few Gripen in storage.
I have the impression that a brand new Gripen C at roundabout US$60 million can be cheaper than buying an F-16 that needs to be upgraded. Depends on whether the F-16 is given away for nothing or next to nothing and the price charged to upgrade it. Not quite sure but didn’t Bulgaria decide that upgrading used F-16’s would be more costly that buying new Gripens?
About production lines at SAAB, are there different lines for C and E? I recall Airbus used one line for both A330 and A340.
Article about current Gripen C sales targets:
IIRC Lula pre-announced Rafale as the selection before he left office… so was SAAB paying bribes to someone who had wanted a Dassault product?
Same for me (perhaps because I’ve been half way banned?) Looks like Turkish fighter project has gone. Could be wrong. Haven’t checked previous pages.
Hackers: need their egos cut down / need to be cut off at the knees (old English gangster expression).
@Tomcat
Is there nothing else to be considered when replacing fighters other than the only possible choice, whatever the factors involved, is F-35?
@Loke
Regarding basing all F-35’s in one place, would that be due to the likely cost of buying and operating F-35? What if an alternative were chosen where more aircraft at 2 bases was affordale, wouldn’t an aggressor just zap 2 airbases rather than 1?
Why is Saudi AF something Iraq wants to give problems to? Is Saudi Arabia some kind of threat to Iraq?
With regard to Iraq possibly buying Typhoon, isn’t F-16 good enough? In terms of Iraqi fighter needs, what can Typhoon do that F-16 can’t do?
Why is it important if Korea uses Russian energy or not? Or Germany?
The U.S. granted the F-16IDs to Indonesia as Excess Defense Articles in 2011. The contract was signed the following year. Indonesia is paying for the upgrading work and other costs.
According to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notice to Congress on Nov. 16, 2011, the cost of the regeneration and upgrade of 24 F-16s and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support was estimated at $750 million.
If the cost of the regeneration and upgrade of 24 F-16s and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support was estimated at $750 million, either the aircraft were given away to Indonesia or they were purchased. The point is that the $750 million mentioned may be a lot less than the 24 aircraft deal actually cost Indonesia.
F-16 production moved to Greenville, South Carolina.
If the line needs to be dismantled to allow the space to be used for F-35 activities, why not just move all the production line equipment to storage when the last aircraft on order have been produced? Seems a strange thing to do to me.
buying rafale will be price of France in EU as airbus and business jets sales goes down French willl have to rely on military exports.
Sorry but I don’t understand what you have written.
I think that Belgium will not seriously consider Gripen E or Rafale or anything else apart from F-35. I think any RFP will be used simply to try to contain the cost of an F-35 deal. Because Netherlands have chosen F-35, that is what Belgium will choose as well. IMO the deal is LM’s to lose if they try to squeeze too much from Belgium.
Sweden Signs Defence Agreement with Colombia
Sweden’s minister for enterprise and innovation, Mikael Damberg, has signed a defence cooperation deal with Colombia – an important milestone for Saab, which wants to export Gripen fighter jets to the South American nation.
I thought the deal with Brazil gave the South American Gripen E market to Brazil. Perhaps this only applies to Gripen E and Sweden remains free to market the C version in South America. Would be interesting to see Brazil offering Gripen E while Sweden was offering Gripen C to the same potential buyer.