Cautionary comment from editor of defense-aerospace.com:
(EDITOR’S NOTE: The above Statement of Intent is a low-level way for Italy to collaborate on the UK’s Tempest program, and the way it was handled indicates that it does not fully meet the expectations of the British government.
First of all, it is signed not by defense ministers but by their national armament directors, which clearly shows that it is of insufficient significance to warrant ministerial involvement.
When Spain joined the French-German SCAF project, and even when Sweden reluctantly agreed to cooperate on the UK’s Tempest project, both agreements were signed by their respective defense ministers, which gave them a ministerial imprimatur that the Italian agreement sorely lacks.
As BAE’s statement at bottom makes clear, it is Italian industry that is to join the Tempest program, while the government-to-government link to this program remains very generic.
Consequently, the significance of the agreement should not be over-estimated, nor mistaken for Italy’s full commitment to joining Tempest.
It is probable that Italy consented to sign the agreement as a means of providing some form of political cover to allow Italian industry (Leonardo Italy, Avio Aero, Elettronica, MBDA Italy etc.) to participate in Tempest, of which Leonardo’s UK subsidiaries are already full members.)
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar…t-program.html
Just need Japan to join and Tempest will look like a project which could get launched with commitments to 350+ aircraft (say UK x 150 Italy x 100 Sweden x 40 Japan x 100) a few years from now.
Last RAF Typhoon to be delivered this year. BAE proposal for Saudi Arabia follow on order is for 43 of 48 frames to be assembled locally.
Personally I hope Germany will block the supply of any more Typhoons to SA if the UK goverment does not block it. An interest in UK aviation does not mean that I am blind to the reality that UK-supplied Typhoons are used in the connission of crimes against humanity by the Saudi regime.
Apparently, the Tejas Mk1A will cost $40 million per unit.
Unparalleled I think, for an AESA-equipped light fighter. If only it were not so late and a higher production rate had been organised (not the case hence IAF needs all output), HAL could start building an export market. All the same if Unknownstan or Whereveria were in the market for a handful, would be worth HAL diverting a small number to the export market to get export sales support sorted.
What’s the market? Any country still flying MiG-21, Mirage and derivatives, F5 Tiger etc. Say 100-250 in the next decade? Get Kaveri to work (really work) and India could be a real player in the light fighter business.
problem is that ferrying range has little to do with operational requirements.. if you have to catch a liner cruising at high subsonic Mach @35000ft, you have to go full afterburner on runway and up to the interception point… Gripen could not… and that is a fact proven during trials
You are talking about Gripen C in the last evaluation. Gripen E holds a lot more fuel internally. IIRC about 40% more. Just checked –
The aircraft’s internal fuel tanks with a combined capacity of 3.4t are approximately 40% larger than those of its former version. The increased volume is made possible by moving the landing gear from the fuselage of the aircraft out to the inner wings.
Source: https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen-e-multirole-fighter-aircraft/
I get the idea of advanced training using an aircraft with lower CPFH than Rafale. Would there be any difference between the Sport and the Tejas apart from the Sport being marketed as a trainer?
Indian Air Force Freezes Jaguar Engine Upgrade
The Indian Air Force will likely put a freeze on its plans to upgrade the engines on its four-decade-old SEPECAT Jaguar deep penetration strike fighter fleet and shift its efforts toward acquiring additional Sukhoi Su-30MKIs as a replacement.
PS I note that the headline says it’s definite while the quoted text says it’s likely the engine upgrade will be frozen.
About the Japanese project:
The goal is for Japan to lead the development process, which at present is estimated to cost at least ¥1.5 trillion ($14 billion). The government wants the new fighter to be ready by the mid-2030s, when phaseout of the F-2 is scheduled to begin.
Does it make sense for Japan to spend an estimated $14+ billion on developing an aircraft when it is antipated that less than 100 will be ordered? I don’t see the point of embarking on such a project. So expensive (my guess is $300 million-$400 million overall cost per fighter) that it will be liable to cancellation.
BAE Systems is close to delivering its final Eurofighter Typhoon for the UK Royal Air Force
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bae-nears-final-typhoon-delivery-for-uk-460177/
I noticed the following in the article:
…in a half-year results report published on 31 July, BAE says: “The memorandum of intent signed between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the UK government in March 2018 remains under discussion for a further 48 Typhoon aircraft, support and transfer of technology and capability.”
If finalised, the agreement will include in-country final assembly of the type, 72 of which have previously been acquired for the Royal Saudi Air Force.
Another fantasy of assembling Typhoons in Saudi Arabia? Look what happened last time. Nothing.
If you guys have anything to discuss specific to the Tejas, please do so, else leave this thread alone.
I second that
Replying to a question in the Lok Sabha, Minister of State for Defence, Shripad Naik has informed that Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has doubled its manufacturing capability of the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft from 8 to 16 per annum.
If true, this is concrete progress for the Tejas production programme.
Is there any news from India on production of Mk1 FOC aircraft? Last thing I remember hearing was there would be a 6 month break in Tejas deliveries between delivery of the last IOC aircraft at the end of March and first deliveries of FOC aircraft.
Japan can take Turkey’s share
It would require overturning the basis on which partner status was set out.
“The F-35 cooperative Partnership closed on 15 July 2002,” stated Brandi Schiff, a spokesperson for the F-35 JPO.The decision was documented in an April 2002 memo by the Pentagon’s acquisition executive stating that, “except for those countries with which we are already engaged in Level III System Development and Demonstration partnership negotiation by 15 July 2002, we will not be able to accommodate any additional Level III partners due to our inability to offer equitable government-to-government benefits and U.S. industry’s inability to offer equitable ‘best value’ workshare arrangements,” according to Schiff.
Japan could have joined before the deadline. Japan did not. C’est la vie.
Sukhoi has commenced serial production of the Su-57 fighter, states a report by Russian news agency TASS
Time for India and the Teja to jump in.
Source
https://uk.reuters.com/
I think India needs all the Tejas it can produce ASAP.
In any event India needs to organise effective support for Tejas export orders before accepting any. Getting an order then demonstrating to other potential export customers that you cannot provide post-sales support is a very stupid thing to do.
No I said early 60s in my post
Voodoo cannot function. As an interceptor?
My mistake. But in early 60;s RAF was receiving Lightnings which (apart from tiny range) were mucn better interceptors than F-101, so what need F-101?
Early 50’s? According to Wiki it did not enter service in USA until May 1957. The RAF received their first Lightnings in Dec 1959.
Lightning was designed as an interceptor (what the RAF required). Voodoo was not.
F-104 Starfighter entered service in February 1958. Much better suited to RAF requirements than Voodoo.