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  • in reply to: F/A-18 to go out of production in 2016? #2233453
    Spitfire9
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    Total Flyaway cost for the 26 FY2013 F-18s was $65.25 mil (sorry, don’t know how I got 70. I must have hit the wrong number in the calculator).

    Sorry, but any way you slice it, 3 F-18s in FY2018 are less capable and less survivable than 2 F-35s.

    And that price is just Flyaway. If you take the true Gross Weapon System Cost and factor in the inceased staffing needs (2 pilots) then you would not even get 3, maybe 2.25.

    I think you are being misleading in what you say. It seems you are saying that including the cost of weapons you might get 2.25 x F/A-18’s for the cost of 1 x F-35. The F-35 would not include weapons in that comparison, would it?

    You say that 3 F-18s in FY2018 are less capable and less survivable than 2 F-35s. If the cost of F-35 were double that of F/A-18I think you would be telling me that 4 F-18s in FY2018 are less capable and less survivable than 2 F-35s. If treble, 6 F-18s in FY2018 are less capable and less survivable than 2 F-35s.

    You do not appear to be able to exercise due objectivity when comparing F-35 to anything else: the F-35’s weaknesses are denied by you or you argue that they are unimportant in this or that scenario while the strengths of other fighters are denied by you or unimportant in this or that scenario. It seems to me that you think all use of F-35 will be under conditions designed to harness its strengths and to avoid its weaknesses.

    Would you like to do me a favour and list (a) what you consider to be F-35’s strengths and (b) its weaknesses so that I can see your assessment of the aircraft?

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2233498
    Spitfire9
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    Belgium to decide on F-16 replacement in 2014

    Update: the requirement will call for 40 aircraft, of an estimated budget of 4 billion Euro’s.
    no type has been selected yet, but the F-35 was a favoured contender, although other aircraft (Gripen-E/F, Rafale,….) are also being concidered.

    personally, dont think 4 billion will be enough for 40 F-35, specially if you see that the Dutch are paying 4.5 billion for just 37 aircraft :/

    ~30 F-35 and pool simulator use, spares etc with the Netherlands? If cost is the governing factor, Gripen should do nicely.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion and News 2013 and beyond #2234127
    Spitfire9
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    Do you really expect a senior vice president of Eurofighter sales propising a combined purchase of F-15 and F-35? :angel:

    No but I don’t expect him to waste time and money on a proposal that stands no chance.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion and News 2013 and beyond #2234426
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    The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company proposed Wednesday that South Korea purchase a combination of 40 Eurofighter Typhoons and 20 F-35s for its next-generation fighter procurement project.

    “We see the advantages of a split procurement of Eurofighters and F-35s, combining the benefits of both programs,” said Peter Maute, senior vice president of Eurofighter sales, during a press conference in Seoul.

    “This would be in line with the approach of some future F-35 users who will, once it is eventually in service, operate it complementary to other aircraft in a specialized role, using its stealth attributes.”

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/150131/eurofighter-makes-new-offer-to-korea.html

    If a split purchase is a good idea would it not make far more sense to buy more F-15’s? The cost of procuring 40 Typhoons + training, spares etc would be far higher than adding 40 more F-15’s. If 60 Typhoons could not meet the budget a couple of months ago while 60 F-15’s could, 40 Typhoons would be at an even bigger disadvantage costwise versus 40 F-15’s.

    in reply to: Brazil closer to Boeing on jets deal after Biden visit #2234444
    Spitfire9
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    One link here

    http://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/?p=34140

    more detailed here

    http://www.defesanet.com.br/rafale/noticia/13412/Dassault-%E2%80%93-Oferece-entrega-acelerada-de-Rafales-/

    Thanks. From what I read it appears that Dassault are trying to work out the details of a finalised Rafale deal. I wonder what position SAAB is in. Whatever, what prospect is there of Brazil finding the funds to buy anything in the near future?

    in reply to: F/A-18 to go out of production in 2016? #2234545
    Spitfire9
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    Lol

    Personally I find the $51-$52 million cost amazing but when it is the program manager saying that, I’m inclined to believe him. Perhaps that’s the cost to build and he would like to get an order from the USN to keep the line open in the hope of export orders.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2234605
    Spitfire9
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    Don’t pay attention to a pilot saying F-22 = F-16 = F-35,
    there has been performance chart released, look at the data, ignore the superlatives.
    Also, from a tactical standpoint, the important acceleration is transonic and up.

    Here is a comparison between F-22 & F-15,
    to give you perspective, F-35 will be far below F-15

    Thanks for that diagram. It is refreshing to see some straight data.

    in reply to: Brazil closer to Boeing on jets deal after Biden visit #2234841
    Spitfire9
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    maurobaggio, do you have a link to the original source in Portuguese, please? This translation is very poor.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2235228
    Spitfire9
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    [B][QUOTE=FBW;2094533]IF the typhoon starts defeating the F-35 in various circumstances, thats gonna be one hell of a marketing point for Eurofighter to have.[/B][/QUOTE]

    But would any of the Typhoon assembly lines still be open by the time that Typhoon started defeating the F-35 in various circumstances?

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2235955
    Spitfire9
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    I will leave Arab/Israeli politics out of this thread and just say that the US has supplied a great deal of extremely advanced equipment to allies in the Gulf in recent years, including the most advanced F-15s and F-16s in the world. (F-15SA, F-16 Block 60)

    F-16s have an extremely wide range of integrated weapons, but Mideast politics has kept some American weapons from the UAE’s hands. Their Desert Falcons won’t carry the same stealthy AGM-158 JASSM long-range, stealthy cruise missiles found on American F-16s, for instance. Nor can they carry the similar “Black Shahine” MBDA Storm Shadow derivatives that equip the UAE’s Mirage 2000 fleet.

    Why would it be that whereas US F-16’s can carry AGM-158 JASSM long-range, stealthy cruise missiles UAE’s F-16’s cannot? Could it be that the US wants to impose its foreign policy on UAE? It seems to me that if you buy arms you need to avoid suppliers who insist that you are buying their government’s foreign policy (unless both countries’ foreign policies happen to be compatible).

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2236452
    Spitfire9
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    Actually, if you read the article they made it quite clear that the F-35 is not yet available for export to the region. That will change at some point but it isn’t clear when. What is noteworthy is that the Gulf buyers clearly hope the policy will change.

    Given that USA refuses to condemn Israel however gross its behaviour towards the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and West Bank and however much it flouts UN resolutions, why would it supply Gulf countries with a low observation strike aircraft capable of being used to strike back at Israel?

    4th generation aircraft carry external loads, which impacts their performance significantly. An aircraft like the Super Hornet or Rafale with a top speed of “Mach 1.8” can not achieve that speed under real world conditions with a combat load.

    The difference with the F-35 (all three variants) is that even with a full internal load it is capable of reaching its maximum speed of M1.6, meaning that in real world conditions the F-35 is every bit as fast as most 4th generation aircraft. (especially when you are talking about the F-35A, which has less drag than the B and C versions)

    You have a point. Not sure how well that holds up if you want to carry 8 weapons on your aircraft.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion and News 2013 and beyond #2244264
    Spitfire9
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    Brimstone depends on the progress of the Phased Enhancements Typhoon is currently going through, it could be brought sooner like Storm Shadow has, who knows.

    Sadly that “who knows” is a curse on this aircraft’s sales prospects. It is difficult enough to gain selection against F-18 and Rafale due to price without having the additional handicap of offering a product lacking the multi-role capabilities already integrated on the other contenders.

    An MRCA whose offensive capability is restricted to dropping dumb bombs and a single type of LGB nearly 8 years after going into service…

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2245159
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    Korean Ruling Party Lawmakers Demand Renegotiation of Fighter Jet Purchase

    “The government made the right decision in choosing the F-35A for its stealth capabilities, but compared to Japan, the conditions (for the purchase) are strikingly unfair,” Rep. Rhee In-je, a six-term lawmaker of the ruling party, said during a meeting of senior party lawmakers and Supreme Council members.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/149821/korean-lawmakers-demand-renegotiation-of-f_35-buy.html

    It seems to me that the time to press for a better deal was before selecting a winner. What pressure can they exert on LM now?

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2245266
    Spitfire9
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    Does anyone have any info on progress with the Raven AESA?

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2245919
    Spitfire9
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    Korea to Pick Aerial Refueling Tanker by Next Year

    Potential candidates include Airbus Military’s MRTTA330 and Boeing’s KC-767.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/149815/korea-to-select-new-tanker-in-2014.html

    Any point in Airbus sending South Korea a brochure?

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