Fighter test schedule published
BERN — The flight and ground trials with the five fighter aircraft candidates will take place in Payerne from April to June. The aircraft capabilities will be checked at the military airfield there in alphabetical order. The dates for media creators and spotters are also already fixed.
For each candidate, a total of eight missions with one or two combat aircraft will be conducted during four days of flight. The capabilities of the aircraft and the information from the submitted offers are checked. Beforehand, the providers have the opportunity to familiarize themselves with another flight with the specific procedures in the Swiss airspace. One flight will take place at night. For this, the starting times of the season must be adjusted accordingly, with the flights always ending before midnight. During bank holidays, no trial flights will be made.
The candidates are tested in alphabetical order according to the name of the manufacturer:
— Airbus, GER, Eurofighter: in calendar weeks 15 and 16
— Boeing, USA, F / A-18 Super Hornet: in calendar weeks 17 and 18
— Dassault, FRA, Rafale: in calendar weeks 20 and 21
— Lockheed Martin, USA, F-35A: in calendar weeks 23 and 24
— Saab, SWE, Gripen E: in calendar weeks 25 and 26
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So am I. Pse keep the news coming, Tango.
There is no shortage of airframes in SwAF. Obviously the number is to low if you ask me, but the number is as high as it is politically decided to be.
If the politicians were to raise the number of airframes in the future (which is likely) there will be no shortages of Gripen airframes. There is still A/B’s left and the C/D’s have lot’s of lifetime left in them if they are to be kept longer.
I recall that when Sweden first ordered 60 Gripen E there was talk of a further 10 being added. When you talk of raising the number of airframes, are you referring to that?
Also, do you happen to know what is the purpose of retaining any A/B frames? Are these stock to be used for conversion to C/D if SAAB gains another customer for a Gripen C sale or lease? If that is the idea, won’t it be much quicker and cheaper to offer SwAF C’s once E’s are being delivered to the air force?
Thanks for any info.
The JF-17 costs $25 million per unit, and the Tejas and the FA-50 cost approximately $28 million and $30 million respectively. An order of 36 JF-17 fighters would mean “a very substantial amount will be saved,” Ho said.
You would have to like gambling to choose an aircraft made by a manufacturer that has no track record in terms of delivering either more or less to spec or more or less on time. Don’t know if JF-17 can be accused of that. Nor FA-50.
In my experience you avoid exporting until you have got things sorted in terms of adequately (at least) supplying your own market. Doing otherwise is foolhardy: you risk seriously damaging your brand credibility, losing an awful lot of money, possibly cursing your product irredeemably and setting your company’s export prospects back by many. many years. In any case where India is concerned, anything more than token export numbers of LCA would serve to aggravate the shortfall in LCA supply to the local market, so why offer rare goods elsewhere?
Message is this: until you’ve got it more or less right at home, don’t even think of inflicting your deficiencies on others, especially if it aggravates the problems your failings have already caused where your own market is concerned.
Sorry, but I just think a little bit of reality is not such an appalling thing.
Italy is showing interest in participating in the Tempest programme.
AFAIK the French deferred deliveries are convenient for the French budget, & the French had been keeping up orders just to maintain a viable production schedule.
Wouldn’t necessarily apply to the Swedes, of course.
Apparently the SwAF Gripen C frames have a lot of hours left on them so giving export deliveries priority would not pose problems. This according to flightglobal link given by topspeed above.
@JacobS Thanks for the info,
Don’t get too excited about ‘decent sized budget’ just yet. Ministry of Finance announced recently that next Government needs to conjure up savings of around six billion euros by 2025. And that is assuming that current economic growth continues. By coincidence, that is almost exact same as current projected cost of HX fighter acquisition, and Finland has contemporary naval building program too competing for funds…
I appreciate that the government may be advised that they need to reduce spending but that does not mean savings have to come from the defence budget, does it? All the same I can see that short of postponing air force/naval procurements there might be pressure to focus more closely on the cost of an F-18 replacement.
Is there anyone who knows the planned production schedule of Gripen E in Sweden for their air force (+ initial frames for Brazil)? Additionally, is there a maximum number per year the current Swedish FAL can handle? I am curious partly because I am aware that Rafale export contracts have resulted in deferred deliveries to French forces and wonder if the same fate might befall the SwAF if, for example, Switzerland were to order 30-40 Gripen E.
Only if you ignore them moving the goalposts :stupid:
Got to agree with you there about moving those goalposts. They have only gone and moved SwAF service entry from 2023 to 2021, haven’t they| :apologetic:
Gripen E has gone into serial production and is expected to enter SwAF service in 2021 rather than in 2023, as previously expected
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar…ets-sa-455831/
SAAB seem to have a habit of doing what they said they were going to do or better, don’t they? Congratulations (in advance) to them.
I wonder when Brazil will order more. Talking to a SAAB representative at Farnborough last year, he was saying that SAAB was hopeful Sweden would be increasing the size of its order, too. They also have a good chance of picking up an order for 30 or more from Switzerland and the recent cancellation of second hand F-16’s from Israel makes a Croatian order a possibility. I assume that pursuing selection in Canada is a waste of time but that selection by Finland remains a possibility.
Order book might double in size in the next 2/3 years?
Gripen has been in service for over 20 years. The first production aircraft was delivered to the RSwAF in 1993.
Gripen is a light fighter. If you cannot stretch to the cost of operating a medium fighter, you cannot buy a medium fighter.IIn that situation f you need to retire your current fleet, you have 2 choices: 0 medium fighters or as many light fighters as you can afford.
Indeed. We can debate whether this will be complete by 2025 or 2035 but it will not be available for demonstration in the bid and will therefore be assessed with the same merit as the Captor-E in the 2008 RFQ, i.e. not.
Agreed. What post-selection developments are to be undertaken for any of the candidates has little or no bearing to the selection process.
WASHINGTON — Durability testing data indicates service-life of initial F-35B short-takeoff-vertical landing jets bought by Marine Corps gis well underh expected service life of 8,000 fleet hours; gmay be
as low as 2,100 hours, the Pentagon test office says in 2018 annual report obtained by Bloomberg thatfs scheduled for release this week.
That means some jets are expected to start hitting service life limit in 2026.
Mmm… how does that come about? Design or execution flaws in structure? Wonder how much it will cost to fix (if reported reduction in service life hours is true). Also wonder if LM would be paying.
Saab Offers 64 Gripen to Finland
Swedish Air Force Gripen E’s to be made entirely from new parts.