I note that KF-X Block 1 features Radar Absorbing Material while Block 2 features Radar Absorbing Structure. Does that mean the same structure as Block 1 but using materials incorporating radar absorbtion qualities?
As for export orders, that is not really of much concern for the IAF or ADA/HAL. The primary customer’s requirements have to be met and only if there is any spare capacity at a later date, will they even look for that.
Tejas exports may not be the concern of ADA/HAL but I would think that the opportunity of creating a larger high technology industrial base would be highly desireable for the Indian economy. Countries go to great lengths to try to secure orders for their military aviation industries – visits of heads of state to potential buyers, offset agreements etc because the benefits to the seller to sustain its high technology industry are so great. Why is India’s approach different?
50 years ago many countries opted to equip their air forces with the inexpensive export version of the Northtrop F-5. Over 1,000 F-5A/B were made for the export market (and hundreds more of the later Tiger version). There are many countries worldwide now which cannot afford to replace their aged MiG/Mirage/other fleets. My guess is that the market for a Mk2 export version of Tejas with a “no foreign power approval needed engine” – an indigenous engine – might be huge.
Since India wants an indigenous engine for AMCA it would make commercial sense to me to spend $2 billion+ on getting an indigenous engine developed to suit both AMCA and Tejas. AMCA might require 300+ engines. Selling a Tejas Mk2 export version could more than double engine production.
And Kaveri will be used for other purposes as well, most likely the UCAV and a variant perhaps for the AMCA, so its not dead either.
It would be great if AMCA used an engine of Indian origin. What’s the timeline, though?
If SNECMA is no longer in contention to help turn the Kaveri into an engine providing sufficient thrust and reliability to power AMCA and other partners are now being sought to help achieve this, how far can AMCA design be taken? I don’t see how you can design an aircraft with the engine located in the fuselage if you don’t know the weight, dimensions and thrust of the engine to be used.
Standard technique in JSF marketing is to make lofty claims that can’t be refuted directly, because they are predictions far in the future.
However, if anyone can wrangle a $67 million price tag out of any current official figures (and including the bit that makes the jet go) they are welcome to try.
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Be fair on Mr Burbage, the article just stated:
“He said the cost of the first planes off the line would calculate to about $67 million…”
Burbage did not say the $67 million price tag was for an aircraft capable of taking to the sky, did he? Give the man a break. Next thing you’ll be telling me is that when my local Ford dealer gives me price on a car, the cost should include extras such as an engine! 😉
Interesting news from the “Stars and Stripes”:
“The plan is to build 2,443 JSF’s for the U.S., about 750 for the eight partner nations, and probably somewhere around the same for other program members, Burbage said. That would be between 3,500 and 4,500.
He said the cost of the first planes off the line would calculate to about $67 million each but design, uniformity, life of the F-35 trims the price per plane cost significantly and further in time they are very competitive with the historical lifetime cost of other planes like the F-18 Super Hornet.”
Right, if I order some of the first planes off the line, I would pay about $67 million each and the F-35 lifetime cost will be very competitive with the historical lifetime cost of other planes like the F-18 Super Hornet.
Was this a quote from Burbage in January 2013 or has the (not very objective from the sound of its name) Stars and Stripes reported what Burbage said many years ago?
I am formally requesting that a MODERATOR remove these “Typhoon vs Su-35” posts from the SAAB GRIPEN thread, and place them in their own thread!
+1 (When I look to see new posts they’re not about Gripen).
I agree that BAE involvement in F-35 will generate revenue for BAE and should result in some revenue for the UK government via income tax, VAT and tax on BAE profits. However if the F-35 turns out to be expensive to buy and very expensive to operate, that will adversely affect UK military capabilty. I see a high risk of F-35 being expensive to buy and very expensive to operate, so I am against the UK forces acquiring it.
I think it would be better to install catapults on the new carriers and buy something with more reasonable costs than F-35 – Super Hornet, Rafale, even Sea Gripen if available… whatever is not going to limit overall capability of the armed forces.
Swiss deal for 22 Gripen E moves forward another step.
Spitfire9 the structural cracks are a problem with some of the composite components of the B model, not the C model.
My big mistake! Sorry to all for posting rubbish. Somehow I read F-35C when it was F-35B.
Number of Rafales for India to increase by 63? The article mentions the extra 63 would be in a supplementary contract to the 126 under negotiation.
In French:
That’s correct. But that has always been the case – the Swedish Gripen E/F purchase has never been conditional on a Swiss purchase. Only that there is a clause in the contract that it might be cancelled or delayed in case Switzerland (or another potential partner nation) does not go ahead with their intended purchase.
Thanks for the clarification.
Regarding Swedish Gripen E’s being newly built, from what I’ve gathered the structural changes are more exstensive than on the Gripen DEMO, which excludes C/D aiframes for reuse. It will be interesting to see when pictures of the final configuration arrives.
If they cannot rebuild C/D aircraft to E/F standard, will they be retained in service or will Sweden try to sell them? Just thinking there should be some countries looking to buy cheap used light fighters that are cheap to operate in the same way as Bulgaria, Romania were looking for useable F-16’s.
http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/forsvaret-far-kopa-60-nya-jas-gripen
The decision has been made today to buy 60 Gripen NG for SweAF.
According to the article (using Google translate), the decision to go ahead is no longer subject to Switzerland placing an order.
“According to the decision, there is the possibility to cancel the Switzerland or any other country to place orders for the fighter.”
Edit: can someone who speaks Swedish tell me if my interpretation of the Google “translation” is correct, please?
In Swedish: “Enligt beslutet finns dock möjlighet att avbeställa om Schweiz eller något annat land inte lägger order på stridsflygplanet.”
There is an old saying that says that if a plane looks right it will fly right.
Does that predate R.J.Mitchell (Spitfire designer) saying: “If it looks right it probably is right”, I wonder. Or is it a corruption of Mitchell’s comment?
Spitfire unless somebody has found a way to land a Super Hornet on a LHD/LHA. Having that production line around does nothing about meeting the STOVL requirement.
Only the F-35C is reported to have the cracking problem. SH is an alternative carrier aircraft, so if F-35C experiences delays due to the cracking problem (and any other problems yet to surface), the USN can order more SH’s if that is deemed wise.
Few highlights:
Structural cracks in B- lower fuselage
I bet the USN is pleased the SH line is still open.