Hi rsetiawan,
“thx for the pic of fpb57 of my nation (Indonesia)…”
my pleasure. Perhaps I´ll tackle the Parachim next:-))
“we have 5 type of FPB-57. (called nav-I to nav-V)”
Yeah, I know. But there is hardly any visual differences between the nav-IV Pandrong and the nav-V Tadak so I decided to only draw the later. Do you have any information and pics on the nav-III? Can´t find them anywhere.
“Andau class should be Mandau class…
Ups, sorry. Most mayor reference sites list it as Andau. I´ll change it as soon as possible. See this link for the top view of the nav-I:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/IndPBFPB57I_KAKAP0.jpg
“the SAR (?) variant”
Why the question mark? That´s what its original purpose was supposed to be, right?
Regards.
Hi,
thanks orko_8 for the information and picture of the Girne. Any reason why only one unite was build? Or does that have to do with the embargo as well?
No, Ja WorsleyMate on the back of the Todak and Commandant al Khattabi classes those are not Emerlec 30’s? Those are 40mm guns, probably Bofors with a Mauser cupola.
The only one with the Emerlec 30 depicted here is the Nigerian Ekpe class. That one is also missing on your list orko_8.
Regards.
Hi,
thanks tiddles. Ok, final round I think for the FPB 57 class. First one is the Spanish build and German designed version. Note that the triple torpedo tubes and the depth charges were never carried since they were mainly used for fishery protection and light patrol duties. They were however designed to perform coastal ASW in times of war.

Next is the Moroccan version, 4 unites were build by Bazan in Spain. Morocco also acquired 6 unites of a gun only patrol version later which was just to boring to draw, sorry.

Turkey also operates a single ship of the Spanish design. However since I don´t have any detailed knowledge of this unit I was unable to depicted. As compensation here are the Dogan and the Yildiz classes, both of German design again.

Hope you enjoyed them as much as I did drawing them. Don´t know yet wether I should venture into the even smaller TNC 45 and FPB 44 classes since it is getting harder to see any details at this scale anyway. Suggestions, wishes anybody?
Regards.
Don´t think so. The larger launcher seams to carry four missiles in four separate tubes in each module. Since there are four modules depicted that means that 16 missiles could be carried, exactly as advertised.
The smaller launcher however seams to allow four missiles to be carried under one launch lid (compare the side with the top view). That means that in each module 8 SAMs can be carried. That means a total of 32 missiles.
If those are the same launchers as on the Chines Type 54A than that ship would be able to carry a total of 64 SAMs! What I find strange is that both look different from the 3S90 VLS module presented with the S9M317M VL Shtil missile.
However I would like to see the full plan as well.
Oh and btw, snakes comment about universal launchers was irony:-)
Regards.
Hi,
as promised here are a few more: the German S143 Albatross and S143A Gepard classes. Six unites of the former class were recently sold to Tunisia which will operate them without the MM-38 (though the launch canisters are still present).

Next one is the Kuwaiti version, two of which were build to serve as squadron leaders for the six TNC 45 class FACs. Only one of each class survived the 1991 Gulf War though.

Last one for today is the Ghana gun only patrol boat, two of which were build. Thanks to Steffen for pointing that one out to me since I didn´t know it.

Next up will be the remaining boats. I also have to say that I only now realized that the Turkish Dogan and Yildiz classes were of the FPB 57 design as well. I always thought they were of the smaller TNC 45 class. Doesn´t TNC stand for Turkish Navy Combatant? Well obvious not but what does it stand for?
Regrads.
Hi,
thanks for the nice words. Glad you enjoy them. Don´t know any page for ALL the FACs but I think this one is pretty good:
http://www.schnellboot.net/laender2.html
Especially for the German boats (since it is a German site:-)
Regards
Hi again,
Thanks for the pictures.
Here is first part of the next round: the FPB 57 as build for/in Indonesia and the Nigerian version that is reportedly back in operations.
Hope you like them. On a site note I think it is quiet funny that the SAR version of the Indonesian FPB 57 has the camouflage pattern which the military (ASW and gun only) versions don´t have. BTW does somebody know why Nigeria bought 3 almost equally armed and equipped Combatante III and FPB 57 each at nearly the same time? Wouldn´t it make more sense in building 6 unites of just one class?
Next up will be the remaining FPB 57s build for Spain, Morocco, Germany and Kuwait.
Regards.
Hi,
zajcev please check your private message inbox for my mail address.
For you other guys, see attached picture. Hope you like them.
I guess next will be the FPB 57s.
Regards.
Thanks guys. Actually I have already finished the Al Manama class. As for the Weyer, sadly there is no line drawing of the MURAY JIB class. At least not in my 1994 and 2005 copies.
Both vessels seam to be quiet a bit different. Wouldn´t have imagined it myself before I started working on them.
Zajcev is there a place I can take a look at some of your work?
I´ll post the Al Manama shortly, so stay tuned;-))
Regards.
Hi,
TO MConrads:
If it is yours the line drawing of 22350 this is an excact copy from the official plan which were known in the stamps and the metallic plate of layng down ceremony.There was an image of 22350 in page 1 which presented the 22350 in different shape, a larger vessel whith 2 funels, and I notice that in comparison with the real 22350 in the ceremony of 1/2/2006 is much different.
I will repeat that this is a larger version of Stereguchy corvette, and if you take a better look you will see that both 22350 frigate and 20380 corvette have the same armament, except the AAW system of 22350.
MConrads, if is possible please i want to post an image of the project 1165 “Fugas” nuclear powered cruiser. Please do you have any information about this project?
Well first of all I appreciate the praise (if that is what it is;-)) It is an exact copy because it was the bases for the drawing!
I have also done a drawing of the first incarnation you mentioned.
And just for comparison here is the 20380.
I am however sorry that I don´t have any information about the 1165. However I am looking forward to the picture;-))
Regards.
P.S.: Since you were talking about the 1154 here it is as well: http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/RFF1154-1.gif
And to make things complete:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/RCV1143.gif
The real project 22350
Hi,
The real project 22350 Sergei Gorhskov:
sorry to disappoint you. But this might or might not be the real 22350. I drew it to represent the available pictures. I guess all of those are in this thread somewhere. But I am glad you like my approach to the design;-))
Regards.
Hi 7seas,
the way I understand the article from meretmarine the “très complexe” is referring not to the inegration of the Aster 30 missile but to the AAW capability in general: “la lutte antiaérienne, une capacité très complexe”
As for the boosted Herakles I think the idea is that Herakles could be used for the AAW version of the FREMM as sole radar, replacing EMPAR and S1850M in the PAAM System for those two ships. Therefor performance of the radar have to be increased.
Best regards.
P.S. I don´t want to divert the discussion further but you once wrote in another thread something about the (not very good as I recall) possibility to use the Aster missile system with the APAR radar. Could you please do that again. Because if I get all your posts right (I don´t know jack about radar technology actually;-)) the combination of the x and l band radars (best performance) with an active seeker missile might be advantages, right?
to maxsona:
As can Herakles according to Thales. What 7seas is trying to point out (I guess;-)) is that both systems can do all those tasks but that other systems can do them better. Right 7seas?!
BTW is Empar a single beam radar as well? Is Sampson the only mutli beam radar of the Aster capable radars than?
Regards.
Thanks 7seas, always a pleasure to read your informativ answers on that topic.
Guess the Italian Fremm will be better off than.
Regards