Hi again,
fantastic drawings MConrads
how about the BPE and Absalon Class 😀 😀 😀 😀
Thanks Jezza. Well I am sorry about the BPE but if there is the new Danish Patrol Ship there sure will be the Absalon as well, wont there? Here you go:

Oh and as I said those ship classes should be evolved versions of most navies 90s era designs (except for the Dutch of course). Here is what I had in mind:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/NatoFrigateEvolution.gif
I have a different all European suggestion as well, based on what I would call PAAMS(EU): Aster 30 and dual pack Aster 15 missiles in the A50 Sylver, PAAMS combat management system and the APAR/Smart-L/SIRIUS surveillance package. Ok this might need some explanation: The recommendations of the NRF90 research were active missiles and and L-/x-band radar combination. So I why not take the best of both European systems? If we take that hole concept one step further there could really been some money saved in development, procurement and operatively if that common AAW system would be transfered to the land based air defense as well. The question would be work share between the partner nations. Here is my take at it:
UK: PAAMS combat management system
France: Aster missiles (and corresponding vls?)
Italy: large naval guns (127mm) and small automated heavy MGs (12.5mm)
Germany: ILMS (RAM) and CIWS (Sea Guard system: Millennium guns)
The Netherlands: APAR, Smart-L, SIRIUS (the last two together with Canada)
Norway & Denmark: SSM (NSM which could replace all other air, surface (and subsurface once developed) launched surface missiles like Harpoon, Exocett, Otomat, Sea Skua, Penguin etc.)
Spain: ???
Aster 30 would replace all other long range AAW system (like Patriot) in European service. Millennium guns could be used as C-RAM (German Army will procure two systems next year).
Here is a representation of what I have in mind:

Thoughts, comments?
Regards.
Hi,
Thanks guys, glad you like them. In case some of you have wondered here is a little info on each ship:
The Royal Navy ship is based on a VT proposal of a Aster 15 armed stretched Duke class (dubbed Super Duke). The Norwegian design is based on the APAR equipped Meko A200 that Blohm & Voss offered in the Nansen contender against Bazan´s F85 design. The Italian is a stealthyfied Luigi de la Penne class. The Canadian design is actually based on a proposed stretched and mk-41 vls equipped batch II Halifax class. Finally the Spanish ship is based on an official drawing that was made before Spain opted against the APAR an in favor of the Aegis system.
Any comments on the scenario as well?
“have you ever drawn the NFR 90?”
Sure but it doesn´t look all that good:

Regards.
Hi,
The Canadian Government committed to funding a small part of the development of the Active Phased Array Radar (APAR) system, which is currently being fitted to new ships of the Dutch and German navies.
True they did. Sadly they wont procure it either for those once envisioned lengthened batch II City class (dubbed Providence class) nor for the mid-life upgrade of the Halifax class frigates.
BTW. the fitting to all Dutch and German ships is complete.
Regards.
Thanks Stonewell, glad you like them.
Here is something more to take a look at:
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm4.showMessage?topicID=1405.topic
Regards.
Hi,
while you are waiting, here are some wonderful Spruance class drawings:
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm12.showMessage?topicID=1369.topic
Have fun,
Ragards
The correct version of the Portuguese Meko’s is should include the 100mm Gun of the second link on first link:
The first link show a Portuguese Meko with 127mm gun, which is incorrect.
Our Meko’s have 100mm french type main gun instead.The second drawing has the correct 100mm french type main gun, but both masts are incorrect.
I know that it has the 100mm gun. That´s why I wrote that those extra pictures were done for a fictional universe:-)))
If you brows carefully you´ll find this version as well:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/PorFFMeko200PN_V.gif
Have fun.
Regards.
Hi Ayala,
Mekos? Did you say Mekos? Your wish is my command:-)) How many do you want?
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/Meko360.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/Meko200.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/Meko200Anzac.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/MekoA200.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/MekoA100.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/MekoDXLCG.gif
And something for the Portuguese Navy in a fictional universe (“The Last War”):
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/The%20Last%20War/PorFFMeko200PN_V.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/PorFFMeko200PNII_PachecoPereira1AU.gif
Hope you like them. For anymore see : http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/
Regards.
You are welcome Alepou 340MB.
Hey Unicorn, you don´t happen to have some close up pics (high-rez) of the Perth class, do you?
Regards.
Hi,
“I don´t want press you but a Baleares pre and post TRITAN MLU would be great (you know, with and without Meroka, Harpoon cans, and so).”
Ok, I can partly making you happy:

Don´t think I´ll do the pre MLU version since I don´t have any good images of that version. Just imagine the additional equipment wouldn´t be there:-)
On special request of Alepou340 I made the Hellenic Navy version as well. However it is basically a relabeled USN version. Anyway here you go:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/GrFFKnox_Ipiros1.gif
Thanks again for all your nice work and I am happy that you like the drawings. I think I´ll leave the Knox class as that. Or did I miss another special version?
Stay tuned though, there will be some Adams class DDGs up next on this program……….
Regards.
Hi,
here we go again:

The Taiwanese Chi Yang class as recently modified. I don´t know wether all eight unites have already been or will be equipped that way but 933 and 935 have been upgraded for sure. They got the radars (DA-08, STIR and LIOD) and the box launched SM-1 from the now decommissioned Wu Chin III Gearings. A large deck house was also added aft of the bridge (some new CIC?!) Note also that in contrast to the USN versions above the ship depicted here has the longer spray strakes (some unites got those, most didn´t) and the grey macks (like in the late USN service).
One might call it the ultimate Knox at least in Weapons.
For some guys over at warships1.com I made some other version to which they had personal recollections. If you want to take a look:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/USAFF-1052Knox1a.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/USAFF-1052Knox1b.gif
Basically those are mixed versions of the above depicting various equipment stages.
Next up will be the Spanish Baleares class the only true export version of the Knox design.
Regards.
Hi,
well I think the RNZN will be a very nice round up force for a country it´s size and population.
However I think that going for less number of different ships would have been achievable and a decent goal. I would have gone for the two extra Anzacs (instead of the OPV) and participated in the RAN Armidale class procurement (instead of the IPV now chosen). The LPD is fine with me though I would have tried to cut costs (there) and tried to buy one of those small LPDs South Korea (Endeavor was build there, wasn´t it?) is building for Indonesia.
That way you´d have a four, four, four fleet (4 FFs, 4 PBs and 4 support ships).
Regards.
Hi again,
“but never the less here’s my first and crude attempt. Its a some sort of “what-if” strenghtening of 051C Luhai class based on the idea that “what if china would been major shipdevelopter troughout the coldwar?” I’ve made some even cruder predesings of other ships and posted them in SDF…”
Not that crude I have to say. I like it. If you private message me your email I´ll send you some comments about what I´d alter. If your are interested that is.
“Or was that going to be #4 in the series.”
Indeed it will be:-)
Regards.
Hi Gollevainen,
that´s why I use Photoshop, because of the multi-layer function and because I know how it works (at least I think I do). Otherwise the program is kind of overkill for the purpose. If you want the freeware version try Gimp.
If you have already drawn some ships I´d be happy to see them.
As for the Spanish Leanders see this thread:
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm4.showMessage?topicID=1362.topic
All the best.
Hi guys,
thanks for the nice words. I am glad that someone likes to look at them the way I used to when I discovered MihoshiK´s drawings.
Here is the second round: The Knox class as it was most often seen (I guess), with the raised bow, the strengthened hull, different mast, new EW gear, upgraded gun fire control radar, enlarged hangar and landing deck for the LAMPS I SH-2 Sea Sprite helicopter, Phalanx CIWS and enclosed VDS bay.

Next up will be the RoC Navy version which was upgraded recently with the Gearings Wu Chin III (?) systems.
As for how to draw: I usually start with an existing linedrawing from the usual suspects (Jane´s, Combat Fleets or Weyers). Those will normally do but they are not really that good. If you have some more technical drawings or some nice CGI (common for newer designs) those are even better. If non of the above is available a decent sized side view photo will do as well (however I have never seen a true side view photo so you´ll always have some perspective problems). I resize the linedrawing to our scale of 2 pixels/feet and than superimpose a new layer. On that I start drawing the outlines, decks, and all other lines but no color (so that you can still see the linedrawing below). After that I had another layer and start adding equipment (weapons, radar, etc. like a shipyard:-). Some of those have been drawn before and can be copy/pasted into the picture.
After that I add still another layer and add railings, ladders, shadows and lines representing pipes or similar details. After I am finished with all details I start coloring the different layers. All you have to do at the end is to combine the layers and voilà . As stated above the linedarwing is a good start for the general layout and the place of the systems. However they are wrong more often than they are right in all other details. Only high res close up pictures will help there and coming by those is the real problem.
As for tips, all I can say is to pass the tips of my master (MihoshiK:-)) along to you:
– TIME: take a lot of time.
– look everywhere for any details
– be aware of the colors ( so that black lines really are black, etc). As recent events showed that might sometimes lead to a new monitor:-)
– oh and did I mention time!
btw, just in case someone hadn´t noticed, that is what shiplover is talking about:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/LeanderBatch140mmVersion.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/LeanderIndianversion.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/LeanderSeacatversion.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Ship%20Charts/Leander_vanSpeijk.gif
Great collection mate, keep them coming:-)
Regards.
Hi rsetiawan,
I use photoshop to draw these.
“it is good but the line should be smoother. Looks like badly resized”
How do you mean smoother? If you mean that there are “steps” visible in the hull line (e.g.) than this is due to the scale of the drawing (2 pixels equal 1 feet). Smoothing the lines is therefor not really possible at that scale.
If the pic looks resized than that might be a error on your end. Try opening it in a separate window.
Regards.