Originally posted by srpatterson
Kittylitter, are you NEVER happy? Go back and look at your original post in this thread. You accuse warbird owners of stealing up all the good deals and then driving the prices up, all the while begging for handouts.

1. My Sea Fury was one of the Baghdad Furies recovered by Ed Jurist and Dave Tallichet after YEARS of negotiations with the Iraq government. When they finally got the planes out of Iraq it took many more years to get the certification paperwork through the FAA. Any accountant looking at the ROI (return on investment) for a warbird recovery operation would run with fear. You think anyone MADE money on the P-38 Glacier Girl? I can tell you that’s the world’s MOST expensive P-38. If you sold it for twice what the market price is you still would loose money. Not to mention the risk. Just ask Darryl Greenmeyer how much money he lost when the B-29 “Kee Bird” went up in flames in Greenland.

Of course, you haven’t asked them. Instead you just attacked them.

And sponsorship money? Now, there’s a laugh. You think corporations (others than those owned by the warbird pilots) spend ANY money on warbirds? Son, get real cause it just don’t happen. There is NO money in warbirds.

So, build your replica. Get yourself a white scarf, helmet and goggles and paint your name beneath the cockpit. I’m sure you’ll look just swell. After all, that’s what warbirds are all about.

Sorry everybody to rattle on, but this guy really crawled under my skin. No more posts by me on this thread (so go ahead and get your cheap shot, last word in kittylitter).

im not saying your turning profit for flying it but i bet your flying it for free on peoples donations.

and yes planes are sponsored, seen the red bull planes lately?? seen BP signs all over matt dennings boomerang?

Originally posted by galdri
Well, well.

We have another ‘expert’ ………blah blah blah

try cutting your post down a bit

point is you shouldnt donate to these rich beggers, if its thier personal plane and they can do what they want with it then they shouldnt need your money or time.

Originally posted by JDK
Hi Kittyhawk,

There’s a lot to be gained in these forums, if you give and take. As regards a (potential) ride in a warbird, I give something, I get something. No money changes hands. No one is forced to do anything, and everyone gets a smile out of the day. Sorry if you can see a negative there – as you are up on your research, you’ll know which Sea Fury, and why your rich thieves argument doesn’t stand up. Have a look fo ‘Sea Fury refs’ if you’d like more info.

As regards ‘tax dollars’ Depreciaton from W.W.II means that as taxpayers items warbirds are worthless – as we know, the governments of the day couldn’t melt them fast enough.

Still trying to think of anyone who got rich by recovering warbirds.

Still trying to think of anyone who got rich trading warbirds in the last 30 odd years.

Frankly, sticking it in a bank gets a better rate of interest!

You’ve accused an entire industry and thousands of people of ‘arrogance’ yet you are happy to post and say you don’t care about other’s opinions – that’s a definition of arrogance.

My spelling is a bit ropey, and I don’t throw stones on that score here, but you’ll come accross better with some punctuation and a bit more care – my name here is JDK, not jdk, small, but my own, please treat it with care.

A constructive suggestion. Cool off, re-register, and come back with a view to sharing – you’ll have a great time. Cary on as you are, and you’ll be shunned, which would be a pity; as you obviously care a lot!

Cheers

why on earth would i re-register? my opinions have not changed (except that i think your an idiot). you remind me of a typical pom :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bertie
And Do let us know when you pass your English written exam……your spelling and grammar is atroshuss!!

…..or are you actually 8 years old, in which case, I take it all back.

that….would…..be…..atrocious……..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SteveYoung
Blimey. Is it safe to come out yet… :confused:

Sounds like you’ve had some pretty bad experiences over on your side of the pond, and somebody’s particularly put your back up. I’m sorry to hear it.

But… in defence of those few owners / operators / restorers who I have met (admittedly all UK-based), with very few exceptions they are extremely hard working individuals whose passion for these old aeroplanes has actually cost them personally huge amounts of money.

One particular chap that I have a great deal of respect for, who will remain nameless but he knows who he is, restored an extremely rare aeroplane for a museum, and despite incurring higher costs than he anticipated, he stuck to the original quote for the work, thereby suffering a sizeable loss on the deal which had to be made up elsewhere.

Far from being an “arrogant stuck up @$$hole”, I would suggest that shows this particular individual to be particularly committed to his industry and personal principles.

im not saying all are bad but a lot are, and this is especialy focused at americans although there is one pom like this that i know of.

ive have done tons of research before i decided to build, im not just talking crap, so some of you maybe think your lucky if a guy gives you a ride in the backseat of his plane, goodluck to you.
all im saying is these people are on the take thats all, but its up to you what you give.

trust me ive done a lot of research before starting my aircraft.

sure there maybe a few good people out thier but the majority arnt. i could care less what you think im just stating my opinion from experiance so the people here are informed before handing hard earned cash over to these rich warbird operators so they can have fun flying thier planes that your fathers tax dollars paid for and they found.

🙂

Originally posted by JDK
Oh dear.
Actually, quite a lot of people posting here are heavilly involved and out of pocket so we can enjoy these a/c fly. I personally have raised money for the Blenheim to fly, and I would say that the Johns, Graham Warner, and the rest of the ARCo team don’t fit your description, Kittyhawk.

There are some very arrogant people operating warbirds. Many of those are in a smoking hole as aerodynamics and the earth are very clear cut about following the rules.

Perhaps take a deep breath and edit?
Cheers

your very fortunate.