RpRAh yes quoting Clinton for how good this is exposes extreme ignorance of the no fly list in the U.S.
Now the ACLU often is the DNCs best friend but on this liberty given us by our constitution rules.
No Fly List Grows, Along With Injustice For Those Wrongly Stuck On It
https://www.aclu.org/blog/no-fly-list-grows-along-injustice-those-wrongly-stuck-it
We’d note that in the Orlando case, however, the shooter, Omar Mateen, bought his guns after he was no longer on a terrorist watch list. FBI Director James B. Comey has said that Mateen was on the FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist in 2013 and 2014 when the FBI was investigating him, first due to co-workers raising concerns about Mateen’s incendiary language about terrorism and then due to him having “casually” known a suicide bomber who attended the same mosque in Florida. The FBI didn’t find evidence to arrest Mateen, Comey told reporters, and the investigations were closed, which removes suspects from the watch list, the New York Times reported.
Yep just what we need another worthless law that given the government more power.:eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness:
RpRYou meant the seller or the ‘gifter’ could end-up being charged? — The seller will not be charged. with the rare exception that it is obvious the seller knew why it was purchased.
The gifter will be charged but with , innocent till proven guilty, they still have to prove the gifters intents were felonious.I wasn’t really thinking of a situation where somebody who owned a gun legally sold it to somebody they knew couldn’t buy a firearm; just a simple situation where a legal gun-owner decides to sell a legal gun to a buyer that isn’t personally known to him. Or his situation isn’t known to him. — The seller does not have to check the buyers legal status but when obvious red flags were waving, it still may cost him legally, although unless the seller has been investigated repeatedly it is not an easy charge to make stick.
My point was that all the gun-shop checks imaginable would be of little use if that gun can be sold, quite legally, person-to-person, at a later date? What facilities does a private seller have to carry out identity checks, document checks or make any assessment of a buyer’s mental health? — Mental health checks due to action by the ACLU is strictly against Federal law.
It was part of the result of the anti-profiling law the Democrats pushed through.
Here is a part of the ATF guides but there are pages more.Could you explain more about BATF (ATF, alcohol, tobacco and firearms) phone checks? Is that something a private citizen can use to check a gun buyer?
https://www.atf.gov/file/58676/download
Some gun stores! You mean some will allow a ‘strawman’ purchase when they know it is one?
Yes as most strawman purchases, all bought as true gifts, i.e. Christmas, birthday etc. are still considered a strawman purchase, are harmless but if obvious red flags go up during the purchase it will be up to the seller to defend the sale if it is involved in a crime.
Some sellers have ended up losing their firearms license or worse for such stupidity.
If selling firearms is one’s business and one loses its license, even if there is no other penalty it will be years, or sometimes never, before that one can engage in that business again.
The person cannot even work for another in the industry, therefore; if the one was talented at that task, the one just flushed his talent down the drain.
Many FFL holders do more than just sell firearms they often are talented machinists, carpenters and engravers.
As a side note, one can build from scratch a fully automatic sub-machine gun, legally , with a FFL.
The one can never transfer it to anyone, allow anyone but him/her self to ever fire it nor can it be taken out of state ever.
This is not modifying an existing firearm but building one totally from scratch.
If you do the paper work one can purchase and shoot a fully automatic sub-machine gun made before 1986.
If one without an FFL, in any way changes the manner the mechanical action works, that one has just put himself viable for Federal prosecution.
One can take a sub-machinegun and change its appearance, change the stock to make it smaller, but as long as the action functions the same, it is legal.
RpRAnd you? You hate your fellow man that much that you would happily, willingly, stand by and let them be killed?
What have you done to reassure society that you and ALL your fellow gun owners are not crazed, gun-mad, bloodthirsty sociopaths eager to rid the world of those whose feelings, thoughts, beliefs and desires you don’t agree with. How does the frequent murder of your fellow Americans, by guns, benefit you?
What has been positive about guns in the news, other than whatever good the police use them for (ie not gunning down innocents or carrying out instant executions of the unarmed or unthreatening) and certainly not anything put out by the (much biased) NRA?Nice to see you reduce something about dealing with the shocking and horrific mass murder of Americans to a political sneer.
Hate, oh, oh another closet member of the DNC quoting obtuse sound byte terms.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I am so ashamed.:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:
To alter a quote of a person who flew combat missions in WWII: Frankly, my snafu, I don’t give a damn!”
If I am close enough to assist in protecting some one I will, but as far as persons I do not know and have no impact on my life, please see altered quote above.
The entire response to this shooting by anyone involved in government is nothing but a tool to push foreward a political agenda.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a naive ignorant tool.
The difference is one side wants to give government more power to control civilian lives and the other want to reduce government to the level the Constitution says it should be at.
Those of you raised in a country that is socialist or semi-socialist based will never understand that with damned few exceptions.
RpRAmerica needs to pass a law to ban the sale of all auto and semi-auto weapons.
Then at least when a nutter goes awol the death toll will be smaller.
ROFL — Gee, are you Hillary’s over seas representative.
RpRSorry, I exaggerated to make a point…..and then failed to make my point!
I’d be pleased if you would correct me:
Is is legal for one individual to sell a firearm that he legally owns (for its current market value) to another individual; at a gun-show for example?
Private sales are legal, one may buy a firearm for another person, except multiple firearms, although in some states that is illegal except as a gift, but if the firearm is used for a crime the buyer will end up being charged with a crime.
Some gun stores will not allow a straw purchase, i.e. when two persons are there and it is obvious one is buying for another, and have the right to refuse sale for any reason.
A person who is not a FFL dealer ( Federal Firearms License) , unless one sells too many in which case he may end up going to court for selling too many firearms to not be considered a business dealer, may sell without a BATF phone check although it is never reported that some at gunshows often check anyway.
Recently a person found himself in legal trouble for selling too many firearms without a Federal license.
While his sales were not reported to the ATF, his purchases of firearms were.
The ATF checked on him; when they did not find the firearms in his possession he had to tell he was selling them and his volume put him at the dealer level.
RpRAll the gun-shop checks are utterly useless anyway; let’s say you bought a gun and were checked 100% ‘safe’…
…it is still perfectly legal in the US for you to sell that gun to anybody (anybody!) for $1 in a parking-lot!!!
LOL, really now, me thinks you have been watching too many TV shows.
Strawman purchases, when a crime is involved make the seller as guilty as the one using the firearm.
An AR 15 based firearm costs on average between 800-1000 dollars and you think someone is going to sell it for one dollar — ROFL.
Selling in parking lots without permits is also illegal. The police will stop and check anyone selling in parking lots.
The gunman went to a arms store and tried to purchase body armor but due to his behaviour was refused sale.
The store called the FBI because of his behaviour.
ON a side note:
A ex-Marine who was in the Pulse was interviewed after the incident as he had save the lives of some patrons, his response to why it was done was , to partially paraphrase as he repeated this many times; ” As a US citizen, this was not a hate crime against gays, this was a hate crime against all of us. They hate all of us.”
RpR??? What state police? I mentioned a UN peacekeeping force – is that what is confusing you? —- As it is impossible for your “peace keeping force” to be allowed to do anything without the permission and control of the state and federal, your ignorance of the U.S. is showing.
Worked there. Hated the swaggering machismo displayed by most of the males, children through to the elderly, and the heavy religious focus prevalent is nearly everything despite the fact that (apparently) the majority admit to being atheists or at least wanting a little proof before committing themselves. —- Yeah right, only in your mind.
When did you work in the Chicago ghetto where the shootings are taking place and you are going to disarm?
Maybe you should write to your senator and demand that something is done about all these accidental shootings since it is giving gun owners a bad name… —- Why?
Others stupidity is none of my concern and I would rather have them have the freedom to be stupid than corralled and controlled like cattle..
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RpRAnd the tragedy continues.
I feel the only way to really protect Americans would be to send in an armed(!) UN peacekeeping force with the simple task to prise those weapons out of your cold, dead fingers. Would flush this macho posturing ‘got muh gun‘ idiocy out of the gene pool too…
LOL, when your state police got to Chicago they would be returning home in body bags, brilliant!
It is amazing your are paranoid and self-righteous about our affairs and you do not even live here.
RpRThis is not really Only in America as Korth and Janz produce items not in the norm but this raises the bar.
http://cabotgun.com/2015/12/cabot-meteorite-pistol-set/
I have spoken with Fjestad and as far as he and his book being special, well, he learned about guns by creating the book whose prices are pretty much worthless.
RpRThis is not really Only in America as Korth and Janz produce items not in the norm but this raises the bar.
http://cabotgun.com/2015/12/cabot-meteorite-pistol-set/
I have spoken with Fjestad and as far as he and his book being special, well, he learned about guns by creating the book whose prices are pretty much worthless.
RpRA new year, a ‘new’ approach to action on gun violence in America…
Nope, same old, same old Der Fuehrer Obama.
RpRA new year, a ‘new’ approach to action on gun violence in America…
Nope, same old, same old Der Fuehrer Obama.
RpRAnd to you also.
Godspeed.
RpRAnd to you also.
Godspeed.
RpRStar Wars: the Force Awakens
I now realize why after the third of the first three, I wondered if this was a waste of moeny, it was..
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