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  • in reply to: Indian Navy news thread #2023480
    JangBoGo
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    Scorpene submarine launch

    Apr 6, 2015

    The Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine project is being undocked by the Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar from Mazagon Docks Ltd, a naval vessel ship-building yard in Mumbai on Monday. The ongoing project for the construction of six scorpene submarines has M/s DCNS of France, as collaborator and includes ‘Transfer of Technology’ with Mazagon Dock as the builder. The state-of-art features of the Scorpene include superior stealth and the ability to launch a crippling attack on the enemy using precision guided weapons. The attack can be launched with torpedoes, as well as tube launched anti-ship missiles, whilst underwater or on surface. The Stealth features give it invulnerability, unmatched by many submarines. Photos: Paul Noronha

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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB5BDETVIAApdup.jpg

    ^^ Beautiful, but small submarine. A good replacement for the U-209-1500 and a much needed boost to IN’s underwater capability. Also don’t know how people concluded that a VLS module for Scorpene is even feasible.

    in reply to: Indian Navy news thread #2023482
    JangBoGo
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    Navy undocks first Scorpene class submarine

    New Delhi, April 6: Kalvari, the first of the Indian Navy’s six Scorpene class stealth submarines, was today “undocked” here, paving the way for sea trials and its eventual commissioning in September, 2016.

    The event was witnessed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, who warned that for future projects, there will be a penalty for delay and reward for early completion.

    The six Scorpenes are being built by Mazagon Docks Ltd in collaboration with French firm DCNS.

    Christened ‘Project 75’, the Scorpenes have already seen a delay of almost 40 months. While the first delivery was scheduled for 2012, the revised date is September of next year.

    The navy said that the project has “now been brought on track and the delivery schedule for the successive submarines has been reduced“.

    Parrikar asked the defence public sector yards —— MDL and Goa shipyard —— to double their production in the coming three years. “I have asked all the defence PSUs to double their production in the next three years,” he said.

    The defence minister also said that as far as P75(I) Project was concerned, private players can also be invited for a joint venture, which would help in the early completion of the project. P75(I) is the next project of the Navy under which six submarines will be built in India.

    He warned that if the project was not completed within the stipulated timeframe, the defaulting yard would have to pay a penalty. Early completion of the project, on the other hand, would be rewarded with a bonus, he said.

    He also asked MDL to take a lead in ensuring skill development among the local unemployed youth.

    The first Scorpene submarine has been named after its predecessor, an erstwhile Russian ‘Foxtrot’ class submarine, Kalvari. It was the first submarine operated by India.

    The Navy said that upon its commissioning in 2016, it will lend an “enormous fillip” to the Navy’s underwater capability.

    As for ‘Project 75’, the remaining five boats would be delivered by the yard by 2020 and would form the core of the navy’s submarine arm for the next two decades, an official statement said.

    The Scorpene submarines pack a potent punch and would come equipped with anti—ship missiles and long—range guided torpedoes along with modern sensor suite.

    India to fulfill its submarine requirement by 2022: Parrikar

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    Workers of the Mazagon Dock Limited cheer after undocking of the first Scorpene-class submarine in Mumbai on Monday. Photo: Vivek Bendre

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, on Monday, said India will fulfil its requirement of submarines to protect the sea waters by 2022.

    Mr. Parrikar was speaking at the Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) after commemorating the undocking of the first Scorpene-class submarine.

    “We expect the rest of the constructions to be completed as per the schedule as in this case. Any delay in achieving the deadline will result in heavy penalty,” said Mr. Parrikar.

    Acknowledging the efforts put in by MDL in construction of this partial indigenous submarine, Defence Minister said that his government has an ambitious plan to fulfil the requirements of the armed forces as per which all Public Sector Utilities will double their productions in next two years.

    “We want to build a ‘Blue Water Navy’ which can survive deep ocean waters without any problems. We will ensure that we become one such navy,” he added.

    Replying to the questions with respect to the growing anxiety around safety of submarines, many of which in the recent past have faced accidents, Mr. Parrikar claimed that the accidents were the results of not following Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs).

    “Majority of accidents are the result of relaxed attitude towards following SOPs. There would have been no accident had they would have acted as per SOP. Now, we have asked the staff to follow SOPs strictly and there will be no accidents,” said Mr. Parrikar.

    Meanwhile, following the undocking of submarine on Monday, the launching of the submarine will take place on September 2015. Till September 2016, the submarine will undergo rigorous trials and tests, both in harbour and at sea, while on surface and while dived. These trials are designed to test each system to its fullest capacity. Thereafter she would be commissioned in to the Indian Navy as INS Kalvari.

    At present all equipment has been installed in the submarine, with 95% cabling and piping also being completed. Pressure testing and commissioning of various systems of the submarine is presently in progress and would continue after the undocking of her from East Yard Dock.

    Positive words from DM w.r.t to improving DPSU yards.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2023530
    JangBoGo
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    Seems like the development of the new AIP is complete and will be installed on to the Pr.677 Lada in 2015. From bastion-karpenko.ru

    01.04.2015

    At the stand of the direction of hydrogen energy branch “set ri”, Krylov state research centre (KHNZ), located on the territory of “Maritime educational-scientific base of Spbgma” in Primorsk, Leningrad region, hosted the state acceptance tests of the prototype of a battery-based solid polymer fuel cells (TPTA) BTE-50K. This is stated in the message of the press service KGNC. A prototype of the BTE-50K designed and manufactured in the branch “set ri”, Krylov state research centre under the State contract with the Ministry of industry and trade within the framework of development work on the creation of modular the non-nuclear air power plant with electrochemical generator based on solid polymer fuel cells (TPTA) running on converted diesel fuel and equipped with a system of disposal of waste products of oxidation for marine equipment of new generation Battery type BTE-50, hydrogen and oxygen (air), are the basis of air-independent power systems megawatt class and represents an innovative domestic product of hydrogen energy. The tests were conducted with the participation of management, Krylov state research centre and representatives of the Ministry of industry and trade of the Russian Federation and invited interested organizations – OJSC “United shipbuilding Corporation”, JSC “design Bureau “Rubin”, JSC “Admiralty shipyards”, JSC CDB “Lapis”, Spbgmtu, JSC “NPC” or “National Association of hydrogen energy” (NP “Nava”).

    01.04.2015

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/677_EHG_MVMS-2013_01.jpg

    “We successfully completed the testing of ship installation (the air installation – WNEW – ed.) on an onshore rig. Now the work is done for field tests of the stand. The boat is not needed, it would be too expensive. There is a special floating stand, which we will use in the in the near future. Everything is on schedule. Immediately after sea trials we are willing to implement it. Since this is a modular type, it can be mounted at any stage of the construction of the submarine. Not necessary to install it on a new ship, this can be a ship that is already in the process of construction. This can be the fourth ship of the project 677 “Lada”, maybe third, the construction of which resumed after recommissioning. It all depends on the Ministry of defence” – said General Director of CDB me “Rubin” Igor Vilinet. RIA Novosti

    NON-NUCLEAR SUBMARINE 5TH GENERATION PROJECT “KALINA”

    18.03.2013

    Central design Bureau for marine engineering (CDB me) Rubin has already began work on the creation of the fifth generation as nuclear and conventional submarines, told RIA Novosti on Monday CEO Rubin Igor Vilinet. “The shape of the vehicle next generation has begun taking into account the comments and suggestions received during the operation of the ships of the previous generation and the leading ships of new projects“, – said General Director of the Central design Bureau “Rubin”. According to him, is now the subject of research work (SRW) for the purpose of determining the future shape of the ship. Along with the head design Bureau, participate in specialized institutions of the Ministry of defense and the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation, as well as contractors Rubin – core developers hydroacoustic systems, avionics, missile and torpedo weapons. The results of this work, in particular, have become the new project of the nuclear submarine “Borey”, modernization project 636 for the Russian Navy, improved submarine project “Harmony”, he said. RIA Novosti

    24.04.2013

    JSC “Central design Bureau for marine engineering “Rubin” has already started the design of non-nuclear submarine of the fifth generation. About this at the conference on “Russian shipbuilding: the rise or decline of the industry?”, held on April 24 in St. Petersburg, said the first Deputy General Director of JSC “design Bureau “Rubin” Valentin Aleksandrovich Frolov. Central Navy Portal

    19.03.2013

    In Russia is developing non-nuclear submarine of the 5th generation, the project was named “Kalina”, said Viktor Chirkov. He clarified that the new submarine will get the air to the power plant. According to open sources, the development of the project “Kalina” is the Central design Bureau for marine engineering (CDB me) “ruby”. So, last year the CEO of CDB me “Rubin” Igor Vilinet announced that his company has begun to develop non-nuclear submarines of the 5th generation. Increase the combat capabilities of non-nuclear submarines, as well as multi-purpose as noted Chirkov, is planned to be achieved through the integration of a part of their armament promising robotic systems. In addition, in long-term perspective, which is now accounted for in the shipbuilding program, provides for the establishment of main and serial construction of submarines of the new generation on the basis of unified submarine platforms,” added the Admiral. GRK “Voice of Russia”

    20.03.2014

    NON-NUCLEAR SUBMARINES OF THE FIFTH GENERATION WILL HAVE THE CODE “KALINA”

    Project non-nuclear submarines of the fifth generation from anaerobic installation will have the code “Kalina”. The journalists said the chief of the Navy of the Russian Federation, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, reports RIA “Novosti”. Work on the creation of the air power systems (anaerobic plant, VNEW) for non-nuclear submarines are conducted by order of the defense Ministry and the Russian Navy. The main advantage of the air power plants – increase the stealth of the submarine. The submarine gets the opportunity to stay underwater without surfacing to recharge the batteries. It is noted that VNEW Russian developments are fundamentally different from their foreign counterparts method of producing hydrogen. Instead of taking the high purity hydrogen on Board the submarine, the unit is provided with the hydrogen in the volume of consumption through reforming of diesel fuel.

    29.07.2014

    Central design Bureau for marine engineering (CDB me) “ruby” by the end of 2014 will create a prototype of the air power system VNEW), designed to enhance the autonomy of non-nuclear submarines. This was reported today Director General of the Central design Bureau “Rubin” Igor Vilinet. “Today these works are in full swing. At the end of this year, the prototype will be made. Everything goes according to plan,” he said. Vilinet stressed that experts Rubin has successfully completed the stage of creating the prototype of VNEW. “He works for the required period of time with all full power”, – said the General Director of the Central design Bureau “Rubin”. ARMS-TASS

    26.08.2014

    Research work on the draft non-nuclear submarines of the 5th generation (Kalina) is scheduled for completion in 2014, said today ITAR-TASS chief designer of the Central design Bureau “Rubin” developing submarine, Igor Molchanov. “Now on the draft non-nuclear submarines of the fifth generation research is ending in 2014,” he said. Molchanov said that active work on the fifth generation of submarines is being conducted so that in the future not have any gap between the two prospective generations. “This boat will largely be based on the decisions that were reached during the work on “Lada”. Each generation is, of course, not starting from scratch, being essentially a development of the previous one – from the perspective of the requirements for the period when it will be operated in the fleet,” he explained. He added that one of the main characteristics of future submarines – maximum stealth, which can be achieved in particular by increasing the residence time of submarine under water. “Therefore, under the fifth generation is the development of the air power plants” – reminded how much the representative of the Central design Bureau “Rubin”. Another direction of work on CW non-nuclear submarines, according to, Molchanov, may be to create a unified technology platform /modularity/ and in integration of various weapons systems in one project.

    28.08.2014

    Russia proceeds from 2017 to the construction of non-nuclear submarines of the new generation from anaerobic plant, reported RIA Novosti on Thursday in St. Petersburg, Russian Navy commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov. “specifically will be engaged in the construction of the “Admiralty shipyards”,” Chirkov said. As reported, anaerobic now (country) units shall be tested Central design Bureau “Rubin”. It is expected that in 2015, this setting will be set on a submarine project 677 “Lada”. RIA Novosti

    02.10.2014

    The Ministry of defense decided to begin mass production of anaerobic country power units VNEW) for existing and future diesel submarines. “The decision to mass production of VNEW to equip future submarines of project 677 “Lada” – said a source in the Russian Navy. He reported that it resulted in the production of components of the prototype. “The testing of the prototype layout of WNEW stand was completed successfully, the following tests will be carried out directly on the boat,” said the source. The main advantage of WNEW – increase the stealth of the submarine. The submarine gets the opportunity to stay underwater without surfacing to recharge the batteries. It is expected that in 2015 the first VNEW will be installed on the submarine project 677 “Lada”. RIA Novosti

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 14 #2212526
    JangBoGo
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    Klimov appear to be concentrating on helicopter engines, especially those relevant for import substitution for Ukrainian models. They’re also doing R&D into the engine for a next generation high speed helicopter.

    Hope they have concrete plans for Ka-226 with Klimov engines and have set a time frame.

    Any upgrades to the RD-33MK will be pertaining to BLISK the ‘cold section’ of the compressor (pic above slide 2) and lightening this section’s cowling by using composites (slide 4):

    http://fea.ru/news/6082

    I’d highly doubt a fundamental redesign will be undertaken such as new, fewer staged sections etc.

    The EJ-200 has 12% more dry thrust than the 33MK and 7% less dry weight. The above developments should go some way to address these shortfalls, along with increased MTBO and engine life.

    http://www.uk-odk.ru/rus/products/military_aviation/rd33mk/

    Thanks for those details.
    I did not meant fundamental redesign like fewer stages etc but punching out more from the current RD-33MK in variants so that it can have its dry/wet thrust increased.

    The next gen RD-XX engine will definetely come in due time and Klimov engines are not going to stop at RD-33MKM. Its just that an entirely new next gen engine in that size doesn’t have any urgency and hence Klimov going slow on it. The MTBO of RD-33MK in operational use is not in public till now and Russian industries (unlike their western counterparts) have always had a non-existent PR or at the best 3rd rate PR offices. The problem due to such a situation is that speculation floats around without any clarification from the OEM. We recently heard a dubious report about nearly 33 RD-33MKs getting ‘packed up’ and INS Vikramaditya’s operation being crippled etc….which I felt was probably intended as a ‘mischief’. I enquired on IN MiG-29K related problems through some of my friends contacts colleagues who have been with MiG-29s maintenance and have flown to Russia couple of times with RD-33s. Response I got for enquiry was negative w.r.t to MiG-29K engine failure or maybe the IAF guys have not heard about the problems with their IN MiG-29Ks…

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 14 #2212536
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Has anyone paid attention to the fact that this is diploma work (AKA master thesis) of some random student. It has as much relevance to this discussion, as my drawings on a napkin.

    :rolleyes:

    From another forum,

    Giant cargo planes of the future

    www.transportjournal.com/typo3temp/pics/392f3514ee.jpg

    A design competition seeking the cargo aircraft of the 21st century inspired many an engineer and aviation enthusiast recently, with the entrants ranging from 22 to 74 years of age. The winners have a greater future ahead of them.

    The competition, which ran for twelve months, ended on 15 August, with the winners announced at the 3rd Inter*national Air Transport Forum in Ulya*novsk, the southern Russian city where Volga-Dnepr was founded in 1990. The winning team was made up of Ilya Ageev, Sergey Borovykh and Nikolay Turbin, students at Moscow’s Aviation Institute.

    A triple-decker

    They impressed the jury, which consisted of Victor Tolmachev (the technical director at Volga-Dnepr as well as the chief designer of the *An-124) with a 200-page feasibi*li*ty study for the design of a heavylift aircraft concept with a new aerodynamic configuration.

    Their proposal consisted of a complete description and design study for a triple-decker aircraft in the An-225’s class. The unit will have two booms, between which there will be an external load capacity for «super-heavy and oversized cargo». This simultaneously represented a job application – the three students are now members of Volga-Dnepr’s design team. «We organised this competition for those interested in the future of air transport. For this reason we didn’t set any age limits. The youngest participant was 22 and the oldest 74 years old,» according to Artem Aroutynov, *describing the company’s motivation.

    Lucky winners and happy organisers

    According to the deputy technical director and head of the design department at Volga-Dnepr, this means that the company has also been able to get to know many very talented people and received interesting, complex and incredibly *detailed projects from *Russia, Germany (the second prize went to a team based in Stuttgart), Bulgaria, Serbia and Ukraine. «The best of these are really useful design solutions that can be used in the aviation industry.»

    Alexey Komarov, a graduate of Moscow’s Stroganov University of the Arts and Industry, received a special prize for his concept of a transport aircraft of the future (pictured above). The model he designed was displayed at Volga-Dnepr’s exhibition stand at the Air Transport *Forum, and attracted the interest of many visitors.

    Predictions for the air cargo market

    Before this it had been displayed at a Sino-Russian exhibition in the Chinese city of Harbin, and at Innoprom in Yekaterinburg, where it had already attracted the attention of Russian central government *officials.

    One of the competition categories asked about the trends and predictions for the global air cargo market. The *winner was a team from the Kharkiv Aviation Institute (Ukraine), led by Professor *Vasiliy *Vartanyan. The future engines for heavy cargo aircraft category saw Nikolay *Makarov, a student at Ufa Technical University, come out on top.

    «When examining each project we took into account its novelty and originality, as well as its technical feasibility. We evaluated its efficiency, the degree of the technical planning and the potential for the design to be realised,» Aroutynov continued. «In the Volga-Dnepr design office we work to create the concept of future transport aircraft, and we would like to take this opportunity to express our thanks to all of the competition’s participants.»

    Active development work

    «We have been inspired by the entrants’ skills, their enthusiasm as well as their pro-active approach. We’ll do our best to incorporate the results of their work in Volga-Dnepr’s activities and to integrate them into the design of the cargo aircraft for the 21st century,» Aroutynov said in closing.

    http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/0_115592_5b3aaf28_orig.jpg

    http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/0_11558e_c1adafbf_orig.jpg

    It would be interesting to have a glimpse of all those winning designs of the last years competition as the new heavy transport a/c will have design inputs from those or may be even be based on those concepts?

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2023949
    JangBoGo
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    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/16/delaet_sama/

    Substantial news. Gremyshii and Provornii (the first two 20385 ships under construction @ Severnaya) will be delivered with domestic engines, not the German diseals.

    Kolomnesky is really getting a chance to get their stuff together. Hope they make the best of it.

    It was an unwanted situation created by the desire to embrace western ‘partners’. Corrective actions coming now is welcome, but it was really stupid not to go with Kolomna diesels initially as Kolmna’s 8-cylinder units have been the one installed in 677.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 14 #2213476
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Sheesh, this is taking a while.

    RD-33MKM is planned to be completed by 2019. Indication that it will indeed be bought for MiG-35 is great. Would have been nice the plane, its engines, and electronics were ready a few years ago. Oh well, can’t fund it all.

    RD-93MA by 2019 as well? I guess the implication is it will be on MKM level, not just on Sea Wasp level as I suspected earlier. Also curious that they call the JF-17 the FC-1 here.

    EDIT: Just noticed the engine listed is actually RD-33MKR. Typo, or something else?

    RD-33MKM was reported as an engine with thrust of 9.5t compared to 9t for RD-33MK. Has there been an increase in dry thrust from 5.4t of the RD-33MK??

    Whatever be the name given to the 2019 version, hope it will be an engine with thrust in excess of 10t (wish it be in 11-12t class) and increased dry thrust in excess of 6.5t. For twin-engines fighters the lower dry thrust might not matter much but for single engine fighters it will matter more. I feel Klimov should be looking at increasing the dry thrust for the RD-33 series and make it an attractive package compared to the EJ-200 and F-414.

    One way to fund the program is to get the Chinese on board with commitment for a 10t thrust class RD-93MA for FC-1. It will be a win-win situation for both.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2213479
    JangBoGo
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    It’s all about dry thrust, so the RD-33 is not better in this regard.
    Look at the EJ-200 or F414-GE400 for state of the art engines with a comparable air mass flow.

    Lower dry thrust of RD-33/33MK (5.0t/5.4t) engines could also be one of the reason why it was not considered for a redesigned Tejas MK2…
    Hope Klimov look at increasing the dry thrust of the RD-33MK variants so that it is attractive for single engine fighters.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2024567
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    But what Russia Navy needs at the moment is more 11356 and 22350 and closer home the 11661 and 21631.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2024571
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    That fanart is based on the previously displayed carrier concept.

    http://i.imgur.com/bq9R8GU.jpg

    The new carrier concept can be seen in this video along with a new cruiser/destroyer concept.

    https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/54da77a1eab8eae0355ad257-1200-924/russian-aircraft-carrier-model.png

    https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/54da7789eab8ea60335ad256-1200-858/screen%20shot%202015-02-10%20at%203.40.21%20pm.png

    in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2025130
    JangBoGo
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    Couldn’t find the video but found a screenshot from video showing the MiG-29K with 4 x 1,100 liter and 1 x 2,150 liter

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J5ep88fzJYc/Uk4cztrfuDI/AAAAAAAAen0/fLeZ7snK1B4/s1600/INS+Vikramaditya+aircraft+carrier+Admiral+Gorshkov+Indian+Navy+STOBAR+MiG-29K+and+Sea+Harrier+ski-jump+Ka-28+ASW+Ka-31+helicopters+AEW+HAL+Tejas+lca-n+fighter+jet+Kiev+class+Bharat+Military+Review+ready+operational+delivered++%282%29.png

    in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2025135
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    What is observed and proven by images/videos;
    MiG-29 took-off (or just landed?) with 2x Kh-35s, and 2xR-73s, unknown fuel amount; that makes 2×520 + 2×105 = 1250 kg, excluding 4 pylon/adapters. Assuming full internal fuel, range is less than 2000km, which is ferry range.
    Su-33 took-off with 4 R-27EMs, 2xR-27REs, 2xR-27TEs, 4xR-73s and full fuel fuel; that makes 4x~350 + 2×345 +2×348 + 4×105 = 3206 kg excluding 12 pylon/adapters and fuel for slightly less than 3000 km, which is flight range with 4 missiles.

    I thought the load out of MiG-29K was a settled one??
    Just in case it isn’t, please refer the below pictures and add 2 x 1,100 litre and 1 x 2,150 litre tank to your above figure for MiG-29K. It’s definitely not 1,250Kg.

    http://www.aex.ru/imgupl/DSC_9615.jpg

    http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7400/12998407545_fd47f4599a_b.jpg

    Pictures were not enough for some to believe that MiG-29K did that, so a video also came to the rescue to silence the doubters.

    Then, there is the picture or video of MiG-29K with 4 x 1,150 and 2,150 tanks in tanker version…

    in reply to: Regarding F-15 s combat record #2251324
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    When we are talking about impressive combat victories and scores, is there any effort to separately identify F-series “own” impressive victories and “combined” victories?

    Would be interesting to see the combat scores with and without the support of E-2/E-3 & other support assets which have been the critical element in combat and the game changers.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2026157
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Is this official or some fanmade project? 240 UKSK silos, holy crap. But just A-190 for main gun?

    I would be satisfied with even 192 UKSK silos. My major metal addition would be a dedicated hanger facility to accommodate upto 4 helos.

    in reply to: The use of armed jet trainers… #2251333
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Look no further. Yak-130 is one such advanced trainer.

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