You are again quoting me. 😀
The UEC figures haven’t been updated. The weight of the baseline RD-33 is 1055kg.
You quoted figure of 1,055Kg from the Klimov website which they had given for their RD-33 family and not specifically to the variant.
Now just a simple request…. find me the dry engine weight of RD-33MK that was specifically given by Klimov in their website below. There are only two links which are very clear. Quote the figures provided by Klimov for RD-33MK.
JSC Klimov
RD-33 family
RD-33MK
Now, this is the link for RD-33MK at UEC website
United engine corporation
RD-33MK
RD-33
RD-93
Correct.
Wrong!
I’m sure it will be hard for you to admit anything and will continue with your trolling….
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For anyone interested, the links are above to check for the dry engine weight of RD-33MK. Also, take note of this quote w.r.t to RD-33MK
RD-33MK is the first product of major modifications of the basic engine. Its horsepower is 7% higher due to the use of cooled blades made of modern materials including composites.
An-140-100 modernisation is good for export market to make it competitive also can upgrade for existing customer like Eyeran and Russia.
An-140 is a better troop carrier/passenger aircraft and IL-112V is a better and thoroughbred transport aircraft
Its better to not put all your eggs in Antonov basket …. one never know how the tide will turn , Considering RuAF is invested into An-124 and AN-70 program and likely both programs will be funded by Russian Military
An-140 is better for passenger transport and the similar one from Ilyushin is IL-114. It would be better if Ilyushin do some work and modify IL-114 with a high mount wing like An-140 and ATR series.
IL-112 is a proper transport aircraft with rear ramp and supporting rear fuselage and tail. Its is probably better for para and cargo dropping than An-140 and a real successor for the An-32.
2 pages of nothing but transport and cargo plane talk booring, what is much more interesting is as this year wraps up hopefully the production totals for airframes
build in 2013 will become available for Su35,Su34,Su30SM,Su30M2,Mig29K,Ka52 and Mi28N and if they have met their planned production totals for this year.
Still no news on Su35 deliveries, this is getting ridiculous I have not seen a single picture of 2013 year production Su35,did KNAAZ manufacture 12 Su35 this year as they planned?All the Indian related stuff should be discussed in Indian News thread but it always ends up here again?
Yup sorry for popping up that again. But this time I have given it a full stop and I stopped reading after seeing comments that allmost everything related to the IL-76 design is gutter, which even the major design bureaus like Boeing, Airbus etc have never ever ventured out to say. When you see such authoritative statement, you pretty much understand that there is absolutely no scope and space for discussion. Its like trying to interact with a per-recorded radio broadcast.
But two fact are there to remain (contrary to anyone else dislike for IL-76 family and my own displeasure on selecting a Ukranian product by sidelining a similar Russian option in the form of Tu-330), ie.
IL-76MD-90A is going to do business in the future and the orders will grown from the initial 39 aircraft. Its going to be produced in 100s and will replace the current IL-76/78 and other related systems based on the aircraft. No ones strong dislike for the family is going to matter and is never going to hinder its progress!
An-70 has been ordered and current order stands at 60 and my displeasure means nothing on the matter. But what can happen is the order getting trimmed in the future, which again can possibly do good for the Russian home products.
Good looking bird.
Thx for the pics!
You are welcome, but any reason why you edited and cropped your earlier reply to the above? 😉
RD-33MK for the MiG29k/M seems to have a 88kn thrust (reheat) and 1145kg dry weight. 4000hr service life
F414 for the upcoming gripen and KFX etc.. 98kn thrust (reheat) and 1110kg dry weight. ?????hr service life
Dry weight of RD-33MK is 1,055Kg
Can I have that in English please.
I forgot to post this along with my earlier post, so posting it now on the ejection system for light aircrafts.
http://www.aafo.com/racing/tech/seats/part2c.htm
The Pilot Escape System or PES
Star Aerospace, LLC. is designing a new technology Unlimited racer. The project sponsor has required an ejection system be installed. The system must provide a means to save the pilot from the majority of foreseeable accidents at a reasonable cost and weight. The system also has to be small enough for two to fit in a 3,500 lb. racer. Based on these requirements, we have decided on a custom application of the SKS-94. Originally produced by Zvesda in Russia, the system is now imported to a US manufacturer and fitted with American pyrotechnics. FAA certification of the charges and the chute pack is close to ten years, allowing virtually zero maintenance.
Designed for light aerobatic aircraft, the PES is not really a cut down ejection seat. It is more of an assembly of only the technologies needed for low to mid altitude subsonic ejection, with each part sized to create an effective and light weight package. Although the PES is a different type of system than a full ejection seat, it may be useful for comparison to look at what parts of a full military fighter seat we are leaving behind:
* Canopy jettison: Thick, bullet resistant canopies are the norm in military aircraft, and must be jettisoned or fractured with charges before ejection. Most air racers use a separate windshield for bird strike protection and a thin overhead canopy to save weight. This allows a PES to punch right through the canopy without external charges. This can save a precious quarter to half a second of ejection time as well as prevent any canopy to seat conflicts.
* Sequencing: Many military aircraft are multiple seat and require ejections to proceed in a specific order and with a delay between ejections to prevent seat vs. seat and seat vs. canopy impacts. Air racers are single seat and need no such delays. In the case of a two seat racer, like ours, divergent ejection paths can allow simultaneous ejection with zero delay.
* Survival pack: Military pilots eject in harsh and remote environments, so the seat must carry a survival pack and survival equipment on the pilot. This ranges in weight from 15 to 50 lb. and adds to the weight the seat must eject and the parachute has to handle. Air racing needs none of this.
* Seat rockets: Needed for zero altitude, zero airspeed ejection. Important in STOVL aircraft to get away from an engine failure in low altitude hover, its utility to an air racer is limited. Almost all escape decision points in air racers have historically occurred with significant forward airspeed and 50 feet of altitude.
* Emergency oxygen: Needed for high altitude ejection to keep the pilot alive above the breathable atmosphere. Air racing emergencies virtually all occur at low altitude and even Bob Hannah’s 10+ G loss-of-trim-tab excursion didn’t put Voodoo high enough to need oxygen if he had bailed out.
* Pilot protection and restraint: At dynamic pressures above 400 KEAS (500 mph at Reno) and high Mach, the aerodynamic loads require a pilot’s body to be shielded and restrained while the seat decelerates to maximum parachute speed. Air racers are limited by propellers to low enough dynamic pressures for pilots to survive without shielding.
* Aerodynamic stabilizers: Likewise, high speed ejection requires the seat be aerodynamically stable as the rockets fly the seat to a higher altitude. Stabilizing booms extend from supersonic rated seats to align the seat straight and level. Below 300 KEAS, this is not necessary.
* Electronics: Needed to sense speed, altitude, Mach number; sequence the canopy and select a host of functions to keep the pilot alive. Multiple seat fighters also have to sequence which seat goes first and when so that one ejection does not hinder the other. The wider the ejection envelope, the more functions the seat has to select at the proper time and in the proper order. With a limited escape window and divergent paths for multiple seats, a PES for air racers can be made simpler and cheaper.
Pictured below is a “live fire” test of the SKS-94 from a modified Su-31. The extension boom and the clearance it provides from the tail section are clearly illustrated. The ejecting pilot is being pulled up and back on his parachute with an actual gain in altitude. Excess gas pressure from the extending boom can be seem venting above the rear pilot’s head. It is remarkable that the technology allows the aircraft to keep flying; the seat and pilot were prevented from striking the airframe during and after ejection. Although this test was performed under straight and level conditions, it illustrates some of the potential for air racing, aerobatic, and agricultural aircraft.
For initial tests, the canopies were removed. The test pictured used a real test pilot, illustrating the confidence that Zvesda personnel have in their systems! At less than 24″ wide, the seat system is quite compact and can be fitted to even the tight confines of an aerobatic aircraft. At less than 50 lb., the weight impact is within the practical envelope for small air racers, as well as aerobatic and agricultural aircraft. For an Unlimited, it’s a non issue. For through the canopy ejection, canopy breakers are added to the top of the seat.
Star Aerospace LLC used to be the importer of the Russian light ejection system and the above article is from 2001. Their website (http://www.staraerospace.com) is not available now and is for sale and probably the company itself does not exist now. But that does not mean these ejection seats are not serving and is probably being used under different names. If anyone get the new address for the company or links for the local importers or manufacturers of this system, please do post it.
Now, after 23 years, Martin Baker is in the process of bringing a comparable ejection system but weighs 36Kg compared to the 28.5Kg that SKS-94 system weighs in its heaviest variant. No more details or specification are provided in their site.
Mk17 Ultra Lightweight Escape System
The Martin-Baker Mk 17 ejection seat is ultra-lightweight, compact and very simple in design and operation, specifically developed for basic and primary trainer aircraft where seat weight and size are critically important. Life cycle cost considerations are also a primary design driver, resulting in a seat design with only 50% the pyrotechnic device count of other modern ejection seats and minimal maintenance overhead.
The seat will provide safe escape capability for aircraft speeds in the range 60 knots (at ground level, on the runway) to 300 knots calibrated airspeed (KCAS) and pressure altitudes in the range sea level to 25,000 ft. Capable of providing safe escape for aircrew in the weight range 103 to 245 lbs (47 to 111 kg) nude, the Mk17 escape system will proved safe means of escape from a basic training aircraft, a feature which hitherto has been unavailable.
Other benefits include: low life cycle costs, half the pyrotechnic cartridges required for Mk16, no under seat rocket motor and minimal maintenance overhead.
SKS-94 (introduced – 1990)
(currently have these figures for ejection for air-racers and the zero speed ejection might be incorporated for the services aircraft if need be)
Altitude/Speed (min) m/kmph – 7/60
Altitude/Speed (max) m/kmph – 7,000/400
MK-17
Altitude/Speed (min) m/Kmph – 0/111
Altitude/Speed (max) m/kmph – 7,353/555
Seems you replied after all. And it doesn’t an expert to know that a fall in the value of domestic currency doesn’t make imports cheaper.
No Mr.Expert. I’m quoting you only now. In the earlier post I was giving a humble advise to swerve so as to avoid the thread hitting your economic storm.
Also, please dont bring up your backside stuff by typing the obvious (underlined above) that have been said by many including me as to why we should avoid and minimize imports from western suppliers.
Btw, it was you who again quoted me even though I fullfilled your earlier wish of not to quote you, with the below quote of yours.
INS Vikramaditya total cost in 2010 @ $2.3billion – $2.35billion
(equivalent value in USD for the specified year given below)2010 @ Rs.45/USD – Rs.10,350 crore – Rs.10,575 crore (a constant figure***)
2013 @ Rs.62/USD – $1.669 billion – $1.706 billion (converting the above constant to 2013 value)
Unless the agreement with Russia was negotiated in and paid for in ‘Rupees’, domestic exchange rate fluctuation doesn’t the change the dollar value of the acquisition. A depreciating currency doesn’t make imports cheaper.
The real question you skipped which I asked you after this expertise of yours and I repeat it for you so that you can answer —— why is Indian Navy quoting a figure of Rs.4881.67 crore in their press release when the deal was signed in dollars.
I just wander what the hell are they doing???
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playing with or shaking off someone unwanted… underneath…..
Thanks to photos by Moshi Anahory, nice pics. Also, nice to see atleast someone capturing the transit…
Vnomad provided a very simple source using Klimov data:
GE-F414-400
Thrust – 98,000N
Weight – 1,150kgKlimov RD-33MK
Thrust – 88,000N
Weight – 1100-1200kgThe F414 has a better power to weight ratio then the RD-33MK, even if we talk about projected variants of the RD-33 for as of yet unsold Mig-29 variants or the derivative RD-93 the F414 has an advantage not forgetting that GE is still improving the performance of that engine.
You must have tried to look into Klimov data yourself rather than depending on someone else ‘expertize’. He is quoting the dry weight for F414.
Here is the figures for RD-33MK
Development – Klimov JSC
Serial production – OAO V.V. Chernyshev MMP.Turbojet double-circuit engine with an afterburner RD-33MK – a modification of RD-33 engine
RD-33MK differs from the basic RD-33 engine:
Increased thrust (7%);
Introduction of emergency take-off mode;
Introduction of anticorrosive protection on the gas-air units;
Introduction of the digital system of automatic control BARK-42.RD-33MK is a basic model for further perfection of fighter aviation engines.
Key Characteristics of the Engine RD-33MK:
Thrust (PF), kgf – 9,000
Thrust (М), kgf – 5,400
Specific fuel rate (PF), kg/kgf•h – 1.96
Specific fuel rate (М), kg/kgf•h – 0.77
Engine entry diameter, mm – 770
Engine length, mm – 4,230
Engine dry weight, kg – 1,055
Then there is the Klimov RD-33MKM which is still not featured in their site and the thrust stands at 9.5t / > 93kN.
@ djkeos
thats much much better. Thanks.
Its good and interesting to trace the voyage, but on the other side its little chillling to know that it might not just be we who would be watching but also the potential terrorists. This rather ‘live’ coverage of the voyage is parallel to what was happening during Mumbai terrorist attack, where the terrorists were making use of the live telecast from the channels to update themselves. These voyage updates will be of definite help to the potential guys who are planning for any such acts as they can prepare themselves for the right day. Indian Navy is eagerly waiting for the ship to enter service and its understandable how it feels when we are very much close to getting it in service after long delays. If anything unfortunate like an RPG or anti-tank or other small missile attacks on her, considering that there are ample amountt of ‘free world’ funded and supplied ‘free men’ in the region, it will be a terrible blow for service. Wish him/her good luck and and an incident free journey to Karwar.
some nice pics of MiG-29K.


Zoomed out little and here is what it looks like.
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From Russi forum on the latest position and group. Destroyer INS Delhi have joined in…




Not necessarily. While I agree that a deal between India & Russia is likely to be in a third currency (& I’m pretty sure Gorshkov was priced in dollars), weapons sales by the UK are often priced in pounds, & it’s not the only country able to sell in its own currency.
I did not bother replying to Mr.Expert not because he was right, but coz its a wastage of time and space. He would have wonderful answers on why Indian Navy press release mention a value of Rs.4,881.67 crore when all we know from the news reports all these years is a contract value of nearly $1.5billion in 2004.
КC-129 unified bottle-free oxygen system with БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen-generation system
The mass of the production-run oxygen system with the bottles completed for the Su-30 aircraft is about 90 kg and the mass of the KC-129 oxygen system with the БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen generation system does not exceed 32 kg. The KC-129 oxygen system is used at the altitudes up to 20 km.
The KC-129 oxygen system with the БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen generation system:
passed through the State ground tests (Act No. 5/703109-029ВП of 19.02.2004);
passed through preliminary flight tests in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft ( Act No. 8311-20-10 of 15.12.2004);passed through preliminary flight tests in complete with Su-35UB aircraft (Act No. Су35УБ-1-05ОИВС-С of 03.03.2005);
worked for more than 1500 hours during the bench life tests, over 120 test flights and trial operation in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft;
successfully passed through the State flight tests, which were run on the Air Force decision, in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft (Act No. 29/705109-062);
accepted by FSUE “RAC MiG” for application in the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB (for the Indian Air Force);
accepted by JSC “OKB Sukhoy” and JSC (KnAAPO” to be used in the Su-35 aircraft;
recommended by the AF Armament Chief for application in the Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft.
So MiG-29K/KUB is/was the first aircraft in Indian service to have an onboard oxygen generating system. Above does not specifically mention MiG-29UPG, but it would be the second one and Su-30MKI might get it during the Super-30 upgrade. Or does the MKI already have one?
Also, found this while searching for something else.
КC-129 unified bottle-free oxygen system with БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen-generation system
The mass of the production-run oxygen system with the bottles completed for the Su-30 aircraft is about 90 kg and the mass of the KC-129 oxygen system with the БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen generation system does not exceed 32 kg. The KC-129 oxygen system is used at the altitudes up to 20 km.
The KC-129 oxygen system with the БКДУ-130 onboard oxygen generation system:
passed through the State ground tests (Act No. 5/703109-029ВП of 19.02.2004);
passed through preliminary flight tests in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft ( Act No. 8311-20-10 of 15.12.2004);passed through preliminary flight tests in complete with Su-35UB aircraft (Act No. Су35УБ-1-05ОИВС-С of 03.03.2005);
worked for more than 1500 hours during the bench life tests, over 120 test flights and trial operation in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft;
successfully passed through the State flight tests, which were run on the Air Force decision, in complete with the MiG-29M2 aircraft (Act No. 29/705109-062);
accepted by FSUE “RAC MiG” for application in the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB (for the Indian Air Force);
accepted by JSC “OKB Sukhoy” and JSC (KnAAPO” to be used in the Su-35 aircraft;
recommended by the AF Armament Chief for application in the Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft.
So MiG-29K/KUB is/was the first aircraft in Indian service to have an onboard oxygen generating system. Above does not specifically mention MiG-29UPG, but it would be the second one and Su-30MKI might get it during the Super-30 upgrade.
Another good news is about the Basic trainer. Russian services will start getting it in 2016. The Chinese were smart and got the design with collaboration and is now L-7. Bangladesh is another customer. The Yaklovlev site mentions the engine as M-14P, but have seen some others mentioning about M-14X with 450 and upto 500hp.
The deliveries of Yak-152 aircraft to Russian air forces will be started in 2016
Russian Aviaton » Wednesday December 11, 2013 18:00 MSK
The deliveries of new Yak-152 trainer to Russian air forces will be started in 2016, Interfax retports with reference to a source close to the military-industrial sector.
“The design documentation elaborated earlier for Yak-152 aircraft will be updated in accordance with the requirements of the air forces. It will take about a year”, – the source said.He also said that the serial production of Yak-152 aircraft should be launched in 2016. “The potential manufacturer of the aircraft has not been selected yet. The Irkutsk Aviation Plant is among possible candidates”, – the source said.
Yak-152 is intended for ab initio training and professional selection of pilots. The turboprop may be operated from short unpaved runways. Yak-152 features a tandem-seat cockpit. The aircraft is fitted with SKS-94M ejection system.
^ a small comparison of the Russian BT and Pilatus. This will be updated and completed in future…
Yak-152 A.S.Yakovlev design bureau
SKS-94 Emergency Escape System
wiki – Vedeneyev M14P
Motorstar
^ motor star site and info is one of the best I have found and in Soviet tradition of giving full info. All most every single detail on engine, parts, installation is given. Similar thing that I have come across earlier is that of Lada Niva service manual. Its so detailed and tells you how to assemble/dissemble the 4×4.
Usually its a norm to have 3 or more levels of documentation on any design (be it automobile, aircraft of ships) – customer level (the basic one – of how and what to do), service depot level and the OKB/Design level. Proper documentation is very important for any product…
Ejection video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_WBK6mtkWw
Russian Yal-152K will be with frame less canopy

Chinese L-7 (compare the ‘legs’ of this one to that of the Pilatus. These BT are meant for very rough treatment. Could not find the links for pics now, so attaching the files.
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It won’t sound like overkill if an American diplomat is picked up, arrested, taken to Tihar jail, strip searched and cavity searched and then dumped into a prison along with the rest of common criminals for something like not paying the Indian gardener the US wages when he works in the US Embassy, which is US territory.
If this is the behaviour meted out to a mid-level diplomat, that too a lady, of a friendly foreign country whom the US calls a “strategic partner” over a trivial visa issue, even the spineless UPA Govt. of India will get angry.
+1
But an addition. The GoI and MEA knew about it on the first day itself and about the letter. But they kept quite and their initial reaction/effort was to sweep the matter under carpet and contain it from flowing into public. But it was the letter send to her IFS fraternity and when the matter got published in the Indian Express that people started knowing about the barbaric act. This was mentioned by the former diplomat and ambassador KP Fabian in a discussion. And whatever half-hearted response the Govt have carried out till now is probably because of the pressure from the entire IFS fraternity who have thrown their weight behind the young brave Indian and those Indian media that have preserved their integrity and self-respect to discharge their duty to the Indian Republic.