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  • in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2034496
    JangBoGo
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    ^ Its going to be LHD, more in IN thread

    @ Jinan, thanks for the headup on U218SG. I was thinking about a larger variant based on U216 due to the number 218, but it looks like a smaller u-boat than the 214.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034499
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    Since there have been some backside analysis on the cost of the carrier I’m posting few cost related stuff so that I don’t have to type it all again when trolls are on the roll.

    Trying to put some cost related figures for INS Vikrant & INS Vikramaditya and some important timeline to be noted.

    2003 – Phase-I of Project-71/IAC-I budgeted for Rs.3,200 crore** (this figure is unlikely to hold as the cost definetely would have increased by the time actual progress was made. But taking it coz it is probably the oldest value reported)

    2004 – INS Vikramaditya deal signed for nearly $1.5billion (as reported usually by media) or Rs.4,881.67 crore, as per Indian Navy press release which amounts to USD 1,084.82 million @ 2004 exchange rate. But not sure if it was for modernisation & reequipment of ship alone or for the entire deal involving the aircrafts also.

    2009 – IAC-I keel laid
    2010 – INS Vikramaditya final deal @ USD 2.33billion
    2012 – INS Vikrant additional fund of Rs.2,000 crore for Phase-I completion

    INS Vikrant (Project-71/IAC-I)

    Phase-I (hull, propulsion & electrical machinery, shaflines)

    Budgeted amounts for Phase-I of Project-71/IAc-I/INS Vikrant
    2003 – Rs.3,200 crore
    2012 – Rs.2,000 crore (additional amount for completion of phase-I)

    Phase I initial budgeted cost – Rs.3,200 crore
    (equivalent value in USD for specified year given below)

    2003 @ Rs.45/USD – USD 711.11 million (or $592.59 million @ 2012 exchange rate)
    2009 @ Rs.47/USD – USD 680.85 million
    2012 @ Rs.54/USD – USD 592.59 million

    Phase-I total cost – Rs.5,200 crore**
    (equivalent value in USD for specified year given below)

    @ 2003 exchange rate – USD 1,155.56 million (or USD 1.156 billion)
    @ 2009 exchange rate – USD 1,106.38 million (or USD 1.106 billion)
    @ 2010 exchange rate – USD 1,155.56 million (or USD 1.156 billion)
    @ 2012 exchange rate – USD 962.96 million
    @ 2013 exchange rate – USD 838.71 million

    Phase-II cost not clear. But this is the most costly phase since it involves equipping/converting the hull into a fighting platform. The speculated total cost of completion is Rs.14,000 crore – Rs.18,000 crore.

    Taking notable INS Vikramaditya & INS Vikrant timelines, cost of INS Vikrant in USD based on average exchange rate for that specific year as given below.

    2004 (@ Rs.45/USD) – USD 3,111.11 mln – USD 4,000 mln (or USD 3.1 bln – USD 4 bln)

    2009 (@ Rs.47/USD) – USD 2,978.72 mln – USD 3,829.79 mln (or USD 2.98 bln – USD 3.83 bln)

    2010 (@ Rs.45/USD) – USD 3,111.11 mln – USD 4,000 mln (or USD 3.1 bln – USD 4 bln)

    2012 (@ Rs.54/USD) – USD 2,592.59 mln – USD 3,333.33 mln (or USD 2.59 bln – USD 3.33 bln)

    2013 (@ Rs.62/USD) – USD 2,258.07 mln – USD 2,903.23 mln (or USD 2.26 bln – USD 2.9 bln)

    INS Vikramaditya total cost in 2010 @ $2.3billion – $2.35billion
    (equivalent value in USD for the specified year given below)

    2010 @ Rs.45/USD – Rs.10,350 crore – Rs.10,575 crore (a constant figure***)

    2013 @ Rs.62/USD – $1.669 billion – $1.706 billion (converting the above constant to 2013 value)

    So if anyone want to mention the value of the deal do it as below (i.e specifiy the two important parameter – year and exchange rate)

    1) $2.33 billion in 2010
    OR
    2) $1.7 billion in 2013

    ** The figure for Phase-I in 2003 is unlikely to hold as the cost definetely would have increased by the time actual progress was made. But taking it coz it is probably the oldest value reported.

    *** There still might be hopeless idiots & trolls who will be pondering how and why it is a constant figure. There will also be genuine people who could not have figured it out and may want to know the same. If there are any, feel free to ask. I will try to clear it in the best possible way I can.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034527
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    First Day Cover & Stamp of INS Vikramaditya released

    The Honourable President of India released the First Day Cover & Stamp of INS Vikramaditya

    The Honourable President of India, Shri Pranab Mukherjee released a stamp and first day cover on Indian Navy’s recently commissioned aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya in a special function organised as a part of the traditional “At Home” function hosted by the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral DK Joshi on the occasion of Navy Day.

    The function was attended by the Vice President Shri Hamid Ansari, Prime Minister Shri Manmohan Singh, Chairperson NAC Mrs Sonia Gandhi and the Defence Minister Shri AK Antony among others.

    It may be recalled that INS Vikramaditya, Indian Navy’s latest, largest and most powerful ship was commissioned on 16 Nov 2013 in Russia and is now on its passage to India.

    http://indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/stamp1.JPG

    The Honourable President of India, Shri Pranab Mukherjee releasing the first day cover of INS Vikramaditya

    http://indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/Vikramaditya_First_Day_Cover_and_stamp.jpg

    http://indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/stamp2.JPG

    ^ Above picture shows the CG of Vikie with Kashtan. I hope that initial plan is still alive and wish IN do a review and consider fitting the newer Palma & AK-630-2 Duet (not the regular AK-630) at the earliest. The ship as such is a sitting duck with no AD system.

    Indian Navy’s page on INS Vikramaditya. INS Vikramaditya – The Newest Aircraft Carrier of Navy

    @ TEEJ & Jinan,
    Thanks for the info. Didn’t expect ‘him’ to cross the English channel so early.

    in reply to: Russian Space and Missiles thread #5 #1789176
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    Russia2 Poligon series on Pantsir-S1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv57h6fZqvA

    Poligon series with excellent stuff on 152mm 2S19M1 Msta-S, 100mm 2A19 MT-12 & 122mm BM-21 Grad. Excellent footage.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-zSR2em22k

    ^ the 100mm gun recoil is scary and violent. That is why no untrained/undisciplined person should operate any hardware. It is specifically for this reason why we had to hear garbage on auto loaders terming it as dangerous that chew up operators hand.

    Too bad they did not feature the 152mm 2A65 Msta-B, but these are the best two videos
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7JhjhNeSNU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZWLW888bLs

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2237738
    JangBoGo
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    Pic 3 is a GaN L-band AESA module with an output power of 400W per channel (it has 4 channels hence delivers 1.6kW) and is liquid cooled. Combined with an S-band system developed in parallel, it is likely to feature in the upcoming S-500, Nebo-M successor, A-100 AWACS and on future warships analogous to Raytheon’s DBR.

    This an earlier article related to ‘advanced’ NIIR radar, not sure if its an AESA.

    New Russian Corvettes to get Phasotron-NIIR Advenced Radars

    Posted on Aug 24th, 2011

    Russian Navy tied a contract with Phasotron-NIIR for development of radars to be mounted on corvettes, reports Interfax referring to Yury Guskov, the company’s general designer.

    The contract cost has not been disclosed so far; according to its terms, the first sample of new shipboard radar must be presented in 2011, said Yury Guskov. The company has already started to work on the radar and is being financed by Russian defense ministry.

    The general designer of Phasotron-NIIR did not name the project of ships to be equipped with new radars, although said that “the radar ‘pyramid’ will be mounted on corvettes”. Presumably, that would be Project 20380 corvettes.

    Corporation Phasotron-NIIR designs radars for airplanes, helicopters, air defense systems, weather radars, and commercial products. Basic portion of the company’s backlog is oriented at aviation. However, according to Yury Guskov, this area has become “full of competitors”, and today the company develops radars for the Navy’s needs. In particular, Phasotron-NIIR applies active phased array radar technology for naval helicopters Ka-27 and Ka-28, as well as deck-based fighters MiG-29K/KUB.

    But the question to you Jo is….do you got any on the naval radars from NIIR?
    There site is of no use, but their brochure shows naval radar for Pr.22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates.

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    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034734
    JangBoGo
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    Probably release of the stamp was also delayed by a year 😉

    President releases stamp on INS Vikramaditya

    Last Updated: Wednesday, December 04, 2013, 22:51

    New Delhi: President Pranab Mukherjee Wednesday released a postal stamp and First Day cover on INS Vikramaditya, the aircraft carrier that was commissioned in the Navy last month.

    The president released the stamp at the “At Home” function hosted by Chief of Naval Staff Admiral D.K. Joshi on the occasion of Navy Day.

    The function was attended by Vice President Hamid Ansari, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress president Sonia Gandhi.

    Defence Minister AK Antony was among those present.

    INS Vikramaditya, the Indian Navy’s latest, largest and most powerful aircraft carrier, was commissioned on Nov 16 in Russia. The warship is on its way to India from Russia.

    IANS

    Some more photos


    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0040.jpg

    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0041.jpg

    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0042.jpg

    Added later

    The numbers quoted are 24 aircrafts and could mean 2 squadron. Commisioning photos have shown INS Vikramaditya to base two units INAS 303 – The Black Panthers and INAS 300 – The White Tigers. In my view, the current White Tigers will start converting to MiG-29K/KUB in 2-3 years time or maybe even earlier.

    I think the wartime numbers are likely to increase and if the total density is what matters then it can be 13 x MiG-29K in hanger and 12-21 x MiG-29K on the deck for a total of upto 34 x MiG-29K/KUB divided between two squadrons.

    It might sound highly optimistic, but not impossible. Few things remember

    1) 13 is a solid figure of 29K that can be accommodated inside the hanger.
    2) The bow is configured to take/service 11-12 x MiG-29K returning from mission and atleast first of the 11 aircrafts that got trapped will be anchored at bow. I see no reason for any obstacle in trapping of aircraft and it will not be any surprise if we manage a trapping interval of one aircraft every minute.
    3) The rest of the aircraft 13-21 probably might have slightly higher trapping interval as these aircrafts will need to be parked at the 8 slots available aft of the island and will be obstructing the landing strip slightly more than the earlier 11-12 aircrafts.

    But for now its going to be more manageable figure of 16 aircrafts.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034737
    JangBoGo
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    A good detailed article from ruaviation…


    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0014.jpg

    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0020.jpg

    http://www.aex.ru/photo/VIKRAMADITYA/0031.jpg

    First Navy Day with Vikramaditya in commission

    Wednesday December 4, 2013 18:57 MSK / Vladimir Karnozov

    December 4 is celebrated in India as Navy Day. On the eve of it, Vice-Admiral Satish Soni, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief of the Southern Naval Command, addressed the media and said the ‘deadline’ for the induction of INS Vikrant aircraft carrier being built at the Cochin Shipyard is late-2018. “To build a carrier is no simple task, especially if you are doing it the first time. But the shipyard has taken the challenge exceedingly well.” He further said that the Navy is seeking lifetime extension to four Kilo-class (Russian-built Project 877EKM) and two HDW (German-designed Project 209) submarines “to plug the gaps of reduction in its conventional submarine fleet.” Work progressing well on the indigenous carrier and the long-expected decision to prolong life of the submarine fleet are certainly good news prepared for release on the occasion of Navy Day 2013.

    Meantime, the newly inducted aircraft carrier, 45,000-tonne INS Vikramaditya, is at sea. To our knowledge, she is still in the Russian waters, taking shelter in one of the Russian Navy’s Northern Fleet testing ranges in the expanse of the Barents Sea. There, she waits for some unexpected storms to the west, on her way home, to calm down a bit. It is also known that, soon after departing Severodvinsk in the morning of 26 November, INS Vikramaditya made rendezvous with the INS Deepak fleet oiler. The latter had arrived at Murmansk for the purpose of accompanying the carrier all the way to Karwar naval station, where she will be based. Arrival in home waters is scheduled for January 2014.

    The handover ceremony for INS Vikramaditya took place in Severodvinsk on 13 November. The central part was signing the act of acceptance. This was done by the Commanding Officer (CO) Suraj Berry and Igor Sevastianov, deputy general manager with Rosoboronexport (the Russian governmental arms-trade agency held the contract for Gorshkov refit and modernization). Soon thereafter, Berry read out loud the Indian government order to put INS Vikramaditya into service and assign the ship to the Western naval command. With that, the Russian tri-color flag was winded down and Indian naval ensign hoisted up.

    The story of India acquiring an aircraft carrier in Russia is a long and eventful one. Soviet navy Admiral Gorshkov heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser of Project 1143.4 was laid down back in 1978 and went into commission nine years later. After a short service, it was made redundant due to high operational costs and withdrawal of Yakovlev-38 vertical takeoff and landing jets. The cruiser was offered to India in 1995. Terms of purchase were agreed in April 2000. That time the costs were estimated at 400 million US dollars]. The initial contract worth 617 million was signed in March 2004. It called for the cruiser to undergo refit and modernization into the Project 11430 through-deck carrier. But costs escalated, and in 2010 the sides renegotiated the contract for 2 billion. With training/logistic packages and shore facilities counted in, the grand total rises to 2.33 billion.

    Whilst suffering from the freezing weather up north, the Indian seamen looked happy, for their “dream carrier” had been added to the national assets. Selected seamen in parade uniforms lined up on the Sevmash Main Jetty along the ship’s starboard side as early as 8:45am. Dignities and military leaders began to arrive about 10am. Admirals were first to appear. Chief of the Naval Staff admiral Devender Kumar Joshi listen to his inferiors’ reports and make a slow pass along the whole line of the Indian and Russian servicemen.

    Later that day, admiral Joshi made a speech.

    Very early in its existence as a nation state India realized the necessity to operate aircraft carriers. Given the vast expense of our maritime seascape and far-flung allied territories, national interests and national security responsibilities, regional commitments and extremely dynamic geostrategic environment, the need for maritime capability set on modern aircraft carriers is fundamental. INS Vikramaditya bridges the time gap between the existing capability and our indigenous aircraft carrier project due for commissioning in the near future. Integral with the MiG-29 fighters, Kamov-31 AEW and other multirole helicopters, INS Vikramaditya is a significant step in the direction of achieving our medium term aim of two operational aircraft carriers available at any given time. From the time the project was conceived to its fruitification today, it had its own challenges which have been successfully overcome. Transforming the heavy cruiser into a magnificent and lean aircraft carrier was certainly no simple task. Activation of preserved machinery and equipment, and incorporation of numerous high end new technologies, setting up of multifunctional aviation facilities complex and integration of MiG-29K fighters and Kamov-31 helicopters became possible to the skills, sweat and pain of the workers at Sevmash Shipyard, Nevskoye design bureau, all participating OEMs and the navies of our nations. I take this opportunity to express my gratitude to the Russian navy for direct participation in the sea trials and sharing of their vital experience with us. Without your support, successful termination of the project could not have been made possible. Through this project the Indo-Russian strategic partnership reached new heights and I am sure that we will continue to cooperate to raise our strategic partnership even further.

    Later, Joshi addressed the media in the carrier’s huge hangar: 130-meter long, 22.5-meter wide and 6.6-meter high. He said:

    Commencement of [MiG-29K] flight operations has already been made. Flights are already in progress, including by the Indian air crews. Full operations of the [INAS303 “Black Panthers”] squadron will be done when the ship is in India. The aircraft are already with us, the air crews are already trained on type. The only residual aspect is deck [takeoff and landing] qualification and that will happen very soon. As far as the shipyard is concerned, whilst Sevmash had had its narrow specialization in the very niche area, and small experience as far as surface warships are concerned, we had no doubt at all that skills and workforce of Sevmash would be able to undertake this task. The product is now for all of you to see: it has been done with total competence and professionalism. We are very happy about the ship.

    Since 1965, Russia has been the major supplier of warships to the Indian navy. The earliest contracts called for supply of four Project 641I diesel-electric submarines, five Project 159E corvettes and five Project 368P motor boats. Since then, over seventy Russian-built warships have been commissioned by the Indian navy. Most modern of them are six Talwar class frigates (Project 11356) armed with the Indo-Russian BrahMos Mach 3 cruise missiles. The first of them has been in service for ten years now. Russia offers the customer to place order for additional, third, batch of such ships, comprising three more hulls, and promises to deliver those “in a very short time”. Other proposals prepared for the Indian customers are license production of Kamov rotorcraft with a high degree of localization and a second nuclear powered submersible vessel to add to the Chakra II, a Project 971I fast-attack submarines on ten-year lease from January 2012.

    Honorable Raksha Mantri Arakkaparambil Kurian Antony gave attendance to ceremony in Severodvinsk. Addressing the audience, he said.

    Today is a big day for the whole Indian nation, and also a historic one for the Indian navy. A landmark day, a milestone for India-Russia military cooperation. Indian policy is to be friendly with all countries… but India-Russia relations are very-very special… and time tested. Through the long years of friendship, Russia helped us to strengthen our national security in many areas. Today’s commissioning of Vikramaditya to the Indian navy is a shining example of the strong relations between the two countries. I am sure in the years to come these relations will be further strengthened.

    Possessing a modern and potent tool to project power in any chosen maritime direction fits well into the national defense policy. India has a rich maritime history and, according to A.K. Antony, “the Indian Ocean has guided our fate over the centuries”. “India’s economic development is dependent on the seas, and safeguarding the nation’s maritime interests is central to our national policy. Aircraft carriers have been part of the Indian Navy’s force structure since our independence and have effectively served the country over the past five decades or so. The induction of Vikramaditya with its integral MiG-29K fighters and Kamov-31 helicopters, not only reinforces this central policy, but also adds a new dimension to our Navy’s operational capabilities”.

    Later, making his remarks to the journalists, the defense minister said:

    “After nine years of waiting, at long last, the Indian navy has got Vikramaditya. Now I can tell you, I can confirm, that there was a time when we thought this project might never materialize due to the many difficulties and challenges. But everyone worked so hard, tirelessly, and, ultimately, we have overcome all challengers and Vikramaditya has become a reality. I am very happy and proud to be present here after the ship’s commissioning. I am sure that this addition of Vikramaditya will further strengthen operational capabilities of the Indian navy, and that this addition of Vikramaditya will help the navy in matching the ever-increasing challenges in the area of maritime security and coastal security”.

    The defense minister responded to the claim that the story of acquiring a carrier in Russia may provide a shining example of huge cost overruns and extensive delays. He said that the initial “decision for Gorshkov or Vikramaditya” was made by “the government of the day, when was another defense minister”. These decision makers “might have given the work to Sevmash in a great hope and confidence”. Severe delays with delivery of promises followed. Closer ship inspections in the dry dock rendered the previously agreed contract sum woefully inadequate to complete the work. “Then we realized that the main cause for the delay was so many serious challenges in materialization of this project”, the minister said. “It was the most difficult project the Indian military ever pursued over the long years of the military technical cooperation between the two countries. But it was only one of the many projects. Russia has long been helping us in the area of defense … our relations are time-tested relations… and, in the end, we have overcome all the challenges. I am sure our relations will be further strengthened in future”.

    Russia’s main speaker at the handover ceremony was deputy prime minister responsible for the military industrial complex Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin. Calling India “as the privileged, strategic partner and a close friend”, he said that Russia is interested in seeing her allies to live in peace and prosper. By handing over the powerful carrier to the Indian navy, Russia makes a significant contribution to strengthening the Indian defense capability. With that, the peace in the region will be reassured, the Russian deputy PM added. “Such a modern and potent combat ship shall, by her awesome appearances, powerful weaponry and well-trained and qualified crew, make the enemies of India shiver”. He rendered his cordial congratulations to A.K. Antony with “the acquisition of such a serious and potent asset”.

    INS Vikramaditya is designed to provide basing of the MiG-29K/KUB multirole fighters and Kamov Ka-31 radar picket helicopters. The ship can also operate the Chetak search and rescue helicopter. Provision is also made for “on demand” flights of the Sea Harrier short takeoff/vertical landing aircraft, Sea King antisubmarine warfare helicopter and the indigenous Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). The LCA-Navy was not specified in the contract for this carrier.

    Vikramaditya’s main weapon is the MiG-29K/KUB. The carrier can take onboard up to 24 multirole fighters. The airplane’s combat range of 1,500km can be extended through use of “body stores” or mid-air in-flight refueling sets. These enable one aircraft acting as a tanker to transfer fuel to another MiG. Guided by the Lesorub-E combat information management system, such aircraft are potent interceptors. The Zhuk-ME airborne multimode radar fitted to the MiG can track ten aerial targets simultaneously and guide four RVV-AE beyond-visual range air-to-air missiles onto separate targets at a time. The MiG-29K can carry RVV-AE and R-73E air-to-air, Kh-31P anti-radiation, Kh-31A and Kh-35E air-to-surface missiles with active radar heads, as well as KAB-500KR/KAB-500OD guided bombs with TV heads. The aforementioned Zhuk-ME radar can allocate and track a destroyer at a distance of 300km. The Indian navy air arm operates twenty such aircraft out of 45 on order.

    The planned arrival of INS Vikramaditia in the Indian Ocean in January 2014 shall make possible her visual comparison with the navy’s current flagship, INS Viraat. INS Vikramaditya’s full displacement is 45,000 tons, compared to Viraat’s 28,700 tons, with a length of 283.5 meters compared to 226.5 meters, and a width of 59.6 meters versus 48.8 meters. A big ship with a formidable air wing, INS Vikramaditya shall be able to exercise sea-control over a three-dimensional bubble of 400-450 mile radius. With the INS Vikramaditya having gone into commission, the Indian navy has acquired the long hand it never had before. This is reflected in the ship’s moto “Strike far, Strike sure”.

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2034743
    JangBoGo
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    ^ well distinctive and like an over sized crown. The design looks top heavy, though it might not be. But they could have done a better job and hope they will trim it down in the next variants. It is probably because of the radar backend being bulky and inclusion of maintenance space…

    The Spanish Cantabria is more like the Aditya class than it is like the new Deepak-class fleet tanker.

    I think that’s the most interesting bit.

    You mean lighter ships?
    Spain was involved in the Scorpene project and withdrawal of their specialist from the project did cause some delays.

    http://files.balancer.ru/cache/forums/attaches/2013/12/640x640/04-3306206-tn.jpg

    INS Deepak @ Severomorsk

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2034747
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    The newest proposition/variation (10th?) of project 11541 Korsar? Info’s, anyone?
    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=341009&download=1

    Got no idea what they are planning with the 11541, they have been displaying models during IMDS.
    Also, Not sure if there is 10 variation…maybe 7 or 8. Here are some of them

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    ^ this is the only earliest variant which came without the rear mast. The two other variants armed with Uran & Yakhont had those rear mast.

    Then came the variant (as usual with two mast) with the the 8-cell VLS and then this…

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    ^ an evolved version of that 8-cell VLS version and the among the top two modification of Pr.11541 in my view. Installation of Podberezovik-EТ1 at the front would be a good one which will give it a longer range coverage of the airspace.
    This model was succeeded by rather overdone “LO” model in previous expos. But there is also surprises like the one below…

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    ^ this model was not displayed at any expo AFAIK, but this has been in their site for over a year now. This is the most powerful or the most heavily armed variant of the Pr.11541 till date and should slot in for the number place. If what I can see is correct the ship have 32 x AD missiles + 32 x VLS (8 + 24 amidship) for any combo of Klub/Oniks.

    If there is a chance to see any new 11541, I think the last model is probably the one. The bonus being the basic Pr.11541 is an ASW oriented design.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2034761
    JangBoGo
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    Pr.667BRDM being featured in this Russia2 Poligon series. The footage of the BRDM is the best I have ever seen. Without that silo hump, its a clean beautiful hull. Now that Borei is coming (even though Baluva have some glitches), they should be thinking of converting the pr.667 into cruise missile carrier.

    Part-I
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWlHLteYyY
    Part-2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucUYe5ZtVJY

    Is there any option to embed video? How do I do it?

    BTW, there was some speculation that the future Indian N-SSBN and if it is based on an evolved Pr.667BRDM then the best. Two things I would like to see on the evolved 667BRDM are 1) single shaft 2) negligible hump.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034812
    JangBoGo
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    @ Aditya

    Thats natural for her size and also the sea is very calm. The double V is wake created by her hull and the tail is props created.

    As usual a vacuous claim. The Gorshkov was transferred as a quid pro quo for the MiG purchase not the other way round.:rolleyes:

    Really? Where did you pick this garbage from Mr.Expert?
    And what was Indian Navy going to do by just buying the carrier?
    Even @ kidscorner members who had similar thoughts and negativity about the carrier have moved on after realizing the facts. But seems like you are still in it. sad.

    Why $1.7 billion? The INS Vikramaditya was budgeted at $2.35 billion.

    My dear, give some rest to your bottom and try using your head. You will get that figure of $1.7billion.

    And plz dont reply if you intent is to continue for the sake of arguing. You made the PAK-FA thread a garbage bin with your expertise. I dont know if you are doing it to increase your post count or just for getting some kick. Either understand the thing and move on from the earlier negativity… anyway do use the ignore button for me when you feel like.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2034816
    JangBoGo
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    Awesome pics TR1. Thanks.
    The above pic you posted is one of the best shots of her slicing through water.

    A better view of the aft elevator lowered and MiG-29K.
    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=362515&download=1

    It would be a good sight to see those 8-10 x MiG-29Ks parked in this area
    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=362516&download=1

    The bow is configured to take all the returning 12 x MiG-29K/KUB of the normal airwing (same for INS Vikrant) and if its greater than 16+, the rest will find its place aft of island.

    in reply to: UK Nuclear options – post Scottish independence #2240928
    JangBoGo
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    Brits who are so damn in love with N-weapons should always look at the map first and think as much as they can if N-weapons are there to guarantee British existence or if its actually a grantee for British extinction!

    British nukes are meant for Russia primirially and for intimidating other non-nuclear weapon states when the conventional British muscle does not work…

    So will Britain ever use nuke against Russia if Russia slap the Brits for too much fingering of the Bear ****? And just in case some trigger happy Brit do use it, do any sane Brit think that there will be any English left on that tiny island (compared to Russia) to fight another war?!

    Hypothetically atleast we can say that Russia and US have landmass to take some N-strike. Do the Brits have this luxury? I don’t think so. Britain will be confined to History once and for all if ever she employs her N-muscle.

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59306000/gif/_59306324_nuclear_weapons_464.gif

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FNKxk3iJv4g/Uhi7yMxPnPI/AAAAAAAAAyI/nGbdi6Y4ZfU/s1600/World+Map+++Top+Ten+Countries+With+Most+Pet+Cat+Population.png

    (^ ignore the cat population 😉 the map gives a better perspective to the size difference)

    N-weapon is actually a burden for Britain as a nation and for the British tax-payers. Its better for the Brits to de-nuclearise and save lots of billions and spend those billions on welfare of the British citizen and on conventional Naval forces.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2034844
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    since the thread have been silent for some time, here is some nice pics of Pr.677 & Pr.12150

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    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2034859
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Juan Carlos is an LHA, sold also to Australia. There is no mention of it in the articles. Cantabria is an AOR, essentially the spanish twin sister of the Dutch Amsterdam class AOR. These were produced in Spain, much like the Dutch Rotterdam LPD has a Spanish built twin sister called Galicia.

    :confused:

    Neither article mentions Juan Carlos, which is an LHA that is also under production for/in Australia. The Calabria is an AOR, of similar design to the RNthN Amsterdam. Just like the Spanish LPD Galicia has a Dutch sister called RNthN Rotterdam.

    yes. sorry it was a mistake. I was lazy to type more.

    India already have new Deepak class ships ordered from Italy and few more are to be ordered. So I see not much chance for IN going for a new Spanish ship of similar class/utility. So probably the visit, even though with different ship, was to showcase the Spanish industry and throw some weight behind Juan Carlos which is competing with the Mistral.

    If IN is really looking for new ships of similar class, I’d prefer this… http://static.shipbuildingtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/MARS-Tanker.jpg
    It looks very good as well.

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