This reminds of me of a dream of mine – I would love to see as many Udaloys as possible undergo a SLEP that takes them to the same standard as Chabanenko, with the following differences:

– 48x Shtil-VL rather than Kinzhal
– 16x Uran rather than Moskit
– new fire control radar for the gun

This would turn them into outstanding general purpose ships, while retaining excellent ASW.

Even with out taking out the Knizhal, VL Shtil-I can be installed there by taking out one of the artillery unit.

UKSK can fit S-300/400 SAMs?

And I haven’t heard anything about quad-packing Shtil either, else the Russian Krivaks wouldn’t have 2 different VLS systems for SAMs and SSMs.

Yep, the big missile 40N8 (?) is in class of Klub/Brahmos in dia…so a single cell would be needed.

As for the VLS, this is how it was suppose to be… there was another representation, but cant it find it right now. The unit shown below can accommodate smaller cells,but then rest of the length would be wasted, so maybe that is why they are using dedicated smaller cells for AD missiles.

Would it be possible to replace the Kinzhal launchers with 6-cell Shtil VLS modules?

AFAIK, the current universal VLS is a 4-cell unit which will look like this.
4 x Klub/Brahmos/S-300/400

OR instead of the above smaller dia missiles.
16 x 9M317ME Shtil-I/9M96/9M96E

OR instead of the above even smaller 4 x 9M100 per space of the above.

what gets to head right now are these..

1 x Pr.1144
2 x Pr.1155.1
1 x Pr.1154.0

I’m baffled by this comment. What could possible have given you that impression?

The RN has 5 dedicated tankers & one tanker/dry stores multi-role replenishment ship, & is buying four new tankers to replace the three oldest tankers.

That’s thought enough for blue water operations.

If we take the two older tankers out, whose availability I’m not sure about, there is actually only two tankers for the entire fleet. The problem will be highlighted when the carriers arrive and start sucking the tankers clean. So for just two tankers to serve the entire fighting arm and saying it as adequate is like saying to a warrior that he is perfectly stocked up and armored before going to battle. There cannot be a more negative & destructive advise than that.
Btw, that comment… Just take it lightly and apology in case it offended you.

The RN doesn’t have a dedicated rescue/support ship for submarines, but the Russian navy (which had such ships) called on the RN for help in a submarine rescue several years ago. It’s the equipment that gives the capability, not the platform.

Russian Navy does have submarine rescue units, 5 of the Prize class and 2 of Mir class and new class just recently passed trials.
If you are mentioning about incident in the far east, with the AS-28 Bester, it was mainly because the units available with Russia was large and wasn’t easy on air-transportation and due to various factors, transporting the heavier units & employing it at the site in the far east never materialized and also the process was found to be not feasible due to size and weight of the rescue sub. So a rescue mission on a lower scale & less time consuming was executed – to help the entangled sub to help itself by freeing it from the ‘net’, so that it can surface on it own. That is where the lighter ROV came into picture when the tactics changed. The smaller & lighter ROV showed its worth and Russia felt the need for such smaller units. The British ROV was employed not because Russia did not have any rescue units, but because they did not have their rescue sub for that particular situation at the place where they needed it.
Brits probably celebrated it by making documentary on the rescue and then awarding the documentary as the best one. 😉

In the case of Pr.949A Krusk, the resuce sub tried to dock but due to the severe weather condition it did not succeed. The much smaller and more manuverable Mir class was also not available to check for the status of the grounded sub in the initial hours as they were out of Russia for private filmmakers on commercial contracts, I guess they were in Atlantic revisiting the Titanic.

Btw, this is what I had in mind when I mentioned the new rescue ship and the entry date is 2014. Project 21300…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1877056&postcount=796

Talk about paranoia at its worst! Why on earth would the Chinese feel the need to censor the bookshelf of a little girl’s bedroom?! :confused:

If you look closely, the ‘blurring’, as you guys seem to believe, runs along the lower half of the glass panels only. Why would the Chinese feel the need to ‘censor’ this and not the top half?

Maybe because the simple answer is it’s glass frosting on the bookshlef?! 😀

What a couple of clowns.

Maybe you are right w.r.t the frosting on the glass.
But rest of my statement on the blurring & censoring in TV shows remain!

The IN has two brand new fleet tankers, plus one middle-aged fleet tanker & one general purpose (fuel, water, dry stores) replenishment ship approaching middle age. The tankers also have a small dry stores capacity. All are of a good size.

It could do with more, but that’s not bad for a navy the size of the IN.

It looks like you don’t want to see IN having a blue water capability? 😉

Yes, we have 4 tanker and 2 more are to come of the Deepak class. But is it even adequate, I dont think so.

Consider INS Vikramaditya, it out ranges any existing combat ship in IN with its enormous 13,500nm range. This economical range is almost twice that of the Delhi class and thrice that for the Frigates. For a proper battle group, at the very least 6 additional ships are needed. So a very minimum of 2 tankers are required and maybe even all four will be devoted for the battle group. So in the current situation, it leaves IN just two tankers and none if all are devoted to the group.

Most of those ‘100 new auxiliary ships’ for Russia will be harbour tugs, small oilers, water carriers, survey vessels, etc. – of which the IN has dozens, in total, & is building more. The Russian navy went for years without building new ones, living off what was left over from the USSR. Those old vessels are wearing out en masse, & there’s a rush on to build replacements. Of the five large (slightly smaller than the smallest of India’s four) Russian tankers in service, the newest is 34 years old.

The IN doesn’t have a similar crisis. It has been building new support vessels fairly steadily, so has no need for a crash mass replacement programme.

Since there is a severe lack of new large tankers, I’m expecting there to be a good number of them in the new plan.

Btw, Indian Navy still do not have any dedicated rescue/support ship for its submarine,where as Russia will be getting first of its new class of Submarine support ship next year, after delays. The same ship is also being promoted to IN.

TR1,

Thatz a gret find….truly surprised. I didn’t expect them to have this capability. That damn Mistral contract is coming to mind again…. :diablo:

Vietnam paid $375million for two Gepard class, i.e around $188million/ship. If the amount for Mistral and time & money wasted on Pr.20380 was invested in Gepard class, the Navy could have beefed up the BSF with at the very least 12 units.

Take it with a grain of salt. This is supposed to be the Nevskoye Design Bureau’s next carrier design.

http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/8-2012-2_new_russian_carriers.jpg

Don’t get surprised if by chance it becomes the IAC-II. I personally would have like to see the larger Pr.1143.7 being dusted up.

What’s more, it’s supposedly on offer to India. After the Vikramaditya fiasco.:rolleyes:

Two different case.
The above ship is going to be built ground up from fresh sheets of steel.

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http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/11/ship/

Sorry BoGo- Mitrofan Maskalenko will be sold and scrapped.

Hmmm….Bad decision…

But there is good news also, like below… vital for supporting the fleet deployment. Hope the number include good replenishment ships
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120914/175960111.html

Russian Navy Plans to Revamp Its Fleet of Auxiliary Ships
20:36 14/09/2012
MOSCOW, September 14 (RIA Novosti)

The Russian Navy is planning to receive over 100 new auxiliary ships by 2020 to satisfy the need for logistics support of its expanding combat fleet, Deputy Defense Minister Gen. Dmitry Bulgakov said.

The experts in India have not yet displayed their understanding for the need of auxillary ships and its significance in the making of a blue water navy.

That difference comes from the lower empty equipped weight of the MiG-35, without all the items in need for carrier operations. To have operative folding wings will add some 100 kg f.e. a.s.. 😉

Thats is not the one making the difference.
The specification for MiG-29K from STOBAR carrier is 5,500Kg and for the same aircraft with use of longer runway the payload is 6,500Kg.

You can’t expect MiG-29K to lift off with 6,500Kg with just 18tons thrust from STOBAR. For that more thrust is needed or a catapult launch.