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  • in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread – 19 #2289121
    JangBoGo
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    Teer,
    Thanks for the links. But a question. Are they going to have the same kind of thing for the ground units also?

    Ok, I can understand the commonality factor, but there has to be consideration for the logistics and footprint of the unit also. In the spec, we see the antenna being mounted on a detachable long trailer. I do consider that it may not be a problem during deployment due to the nature of the radar, but still…

    My personal view is that it would be better if they change the dimension of the unit to more squarish stuff which can be mounted a 4×4 or 6×6 or a 8×8 truck.

    BoGo.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2015099
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    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-4-VIKRAMADITYA-…

    Thats quite a large puff of smoke there. Is that normal for these sort of large diesel powered ships?

    Hopefully no more burning of heat insulation materials.

    it happens with all sort of diesel/heavy oil units when starting or when engaged full throttle/played with. Remember that ship is stationary and have not yet engaged the propulsion.

    The following pictures might be self explanatory w.r.t to the smoke during operation. All these pictures are taken from the top and near the exhaust stack. The guy is standing next the funnel and the ship is doing pretty good knots. If the thick heavy smoke that we see in above picture is a regular affair (which it is not), then they would have shown a blackened oily face. :p

    Also, they would not be standing there in the first place if it was a regular output from the exhaust.

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/vs2JdNiiiX8.jpg

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/y0RlCdwCKjk.jpg

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/MOTRg4L6g_c.jpg

    ^^^ in the above two pics we can see the oily particle deposited from the exhausts fumes on the outer walls of the funnel.

    below some ‘clean’ pictures..

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/X_oWkFtJHRM.jpg

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/dzKTEGUoPnY.jpg

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/AWw7ZQfGkcY.jpg

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/LqG7wXop9PI.jpg

    In the below pic we can see the fumes…

    http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t471/kuleshovoleg/ins%20vikramaditya/i7m_T5-ca1Y.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2015100
    JangBoGo
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    INS Sindhurakshak launch ceremony

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/p_5/p_585213.jpg

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/640/640406.jpg

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/640/640408.jpg

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/640/640410.jpg

    ^^^ the hull finish on the Indian and Russian submarine look different when seen from the side. The recently launched Russian submarine have somewhat glossy finish where as the Indian sub somewhat gives a matt finish looks, mainly above the waterline.

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/640/640412.jpg

    http://img.vz.ru/upimg/640/640414.jpg

    http://vz.ru/photoreport/585213/640414.html

    Video report on the launch.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxTSE1fv3WE&feature=youtu.be

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2015122
    JangBoGo
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    Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

    Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-3-VIKRAMADITYA-AT-ANCHOR-IN-THE-WHITE-SEA-600-x-429.jpg

    The trials of the Aviation Facilities Complex onboard the Admiral Gorshkov, part of the ongoing sea trials of the carrier, are set to begin next month. These trials will test and prove the operational status of the equipment crucial for aviation operations off the carrier.

    Equipment and facilities like navigational and landing aids, directional and control systems, deck lighting, arresting gear system, restraining gear (which are the equivalent of hydraulic chocks before the nose wheel and one of the main wheels, imposed before take-off) will be tested in these trials, expected to be completed over a period of three months.

    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-2-VIKRAMADITYA-PREPARING-TO-LEAVE-HARBOUR-FOR-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-375.jpg

    The trials will also include testing of the aircraft lifts, electrical and fuel supply lines as well as the armament lifts. Navigational data intended to be fed directly into aircraft onboard will be checked for integrity and consistence.

    The sea trials of the Admiral Gorshkov began on June 8 and now the vessel will move from the White Sea to the Barents Sea for the scrutiny of the capability of the aviation element of the vessel. These trials will be held off Severomosk, close to Murmansk, primarily because the Barents Sea is not prone to freezing like the White Sea.

    The trials of the aviation element at this stage are crucial because of the tight seasonal schedules. October onwards, daylight and visibility become problematic that far north.

    Besides the independent stand-alone testing of these systems, there will be a gradual increase in the tempo and scale of the trials with aircraft conducting ‘Bolters’, or touch and go maneuvers, as confidence in the individual systems is increasingly assured.

    One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

    Something else which will be tested to the limit is the carrier’s Optical Landing System or OLS, which will provide pilots the terminal guidance for landing on the carrier.

    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-4-VIKRAMADITYA-STEAMING-DURING-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-403.jpg

    Interestingly, the fighter aircraft involved in these trials will include one Russian MiG-29K (the surviving aircraft of two Russian, Low Series Production, or LSP aircraft) and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

    Besides these, helicopter trials will also take place, involving choppers flying to various reference points around the carrier to pick up and check the signal strength of the radar and other sensors and systems that aircraft will need to rely on for operating off the carrier. The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

    Although there is a 10-15 member strong Indian Navy team participating and monitoring the trials, all aircraft will be flown by Russian test pilots. Besides these monitors, there are already around 500 Indian personnel onboard the carrier, which will be known as the INS Vikramaditya once it is commissioned into the Indian Navy. The commissioning, expected sometime in December, remains on schedule.

    The Commanding Officer is Captain Suraj Berry, a specialist gunnery officer who commanded the frigate, INS Talwar, earlier, and was also Defense Attache to Sri Lanka. The CO of the aviation component is a former Sea Harrier pilot.

    She looks beautiful in all pictures, click on the image for larger pictures..

    In the below picture, what is the thing that we seen on top of the island where the radar is installed?

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gFw-IYKIhxw/T-yD2s5SS5I/AAAAAAAACgY/eeFQI8dh9TU/s320/RUSSIAN+AND+INDIAN+TEAMS+ON+THE+FLIGHT+DECK+OF+VIKRAMADITYA.jpg

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2015126
    JangBoGo
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    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/75543.html

    Excellent photos of Vikra on trial.

    Great. But missing the larger photos that he usually posts.

    And here more photos taken during the refit. Oleg mentions it as the first set among the 80 photos…
    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/75277.html

    and Witcha, here is a good one in which we can very well see the anti-skid top layer and the bare metal layer in front of it. He took this pic from the very edge of the ramp.

    http://pics.livejournal.com/kuleshovoleg/pic/000t177t

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2015129
    JangBoGo
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    Don’t know about that. But it’s hard to sell something that still floats around on paper.

    Unfortunately, Russia’s greatest drawback is its lack of ability to sell a ‘finished’ product/concept that is still only on the paper.

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2015134
    JangBoGo
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    from the article…

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.nl/2009/03/visit-to-ins-shivalik-indias-newest.html
    Also use: http://ajaishukla.blogspot.nl/search?q=shivalik

    both CO & XO gets the same picture at the consoles and w.r.t XO, this is what it says…

    Taking feed from AISDN, is another network, the Computer-aided Action Information Organisation (CAIO), which brings to the captain a complete electronic picture of the battlefield. This is the heart of the weapons exploitation system, laying out for the Captain all the information about targets being picked up by the warship’s sensors and radars.

    This will also be transmitted to the ship’s Executive Officer (XO), the second-in-command after the Captain, and the man responsible for the ship’s weaponry. From his console, the XO electronically assigns each detected target to one of his weapons.

    this probably means XO needs to assign what weapons needs to be employed for the specific threat and the system only presents him the options to choose from for engaging the target. It means a manual input (operator) for the actions.

    But this one w.r.t CO says…

    When the Shivalik’s radars detect an enemy aircraft, the CAIO will show it up on the consoles automatically. The CAIO includes a Decision Support System that will suggest what to use to shoot down the aircraft; the final decision, though, is that of the commanding officer. He could decide to use the 76mm gun; the command will go electronically from his console to that of the gunnery officer controlling the gun. Alternatively, he could choose to use a missile. Either way, the detection, the information, the allocation of a weapon to the target and the actual engagement itself, would all be done electronically.

    What does he mean by ‘electronically’…? A touch screen input instead of physical inputs like buttons?

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2289356
    JangBoGo
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    Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-3-VIKRAMADITYA-AT-ANCHOR-IN-THE-WHITE-SEA-600-x-429.jpg

    Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

    For a non VSTOL carrier based aircraft, the foremost requirement is the need for tail hook and the required structural integrity.
    No matter even if the aircraft have strengthened under carriages, and features like folding/non-folding wings. But without a tail hook, a carrier deck based aircraft does not exist.

    So a humble question on whether the land based Rafale can be converted to Rafale-M for deck basing?
    If yes, how much preparation would be required?

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2289370
    JangBoGo
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    Is there going to be technology transfer for Spectra in the Rafale deal??

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2289373
    JangBoGo
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    Rafale M is STOBAR capable

    That may give the French fighter new opportunities for export. After studies and simulations, engineers determined that Dassault Aviation’s Rafale Marine is capable of taking off of aircraft carriers without catapults but with a ski-jump. For this, no change in structure would be needed over Rafale of French naval aviation, launched from the Charles de Gaulle using catapults. For the recovery of the plane, an oblique track with arrestor wires is necessary, however. For now, only Russia, China and India have, or will have, aircraft carriers with ski-jump and arrestor wires. If for the first two countries, the acquisition of Rafale is excluded, it is however a new opportunity for India. The latter, for now, plans to equip its two new aircraft carriers, and the Vikramaditya Vikrant, with Russian MiG-29K but New Delhi is also in exclusive talks with Dassault Aviation to buy Rafale for its air force. The contract, which could be signed in the coming months, does not include naval aircraft but if India wants, it may have an alternative to the MiG-29K, with the advantage of its future fleet mix. For now, no application has been made in this direction, but the option is technically available, what is good to know.

    Translated from meretmarine.com

    Thanks for that article.
    There was no doubt regarding Rafale-M being able to operate from STOBAR carrier, but what matters is how much payload it will be able to carry and the question that will remain is with what payloads Rafale-M will be able to operate from STOBAR carriers.

    From the article, it is clear that all the news of IN going for the Rafale-M was manufactured news on the basis of probably Dassault searching for new orders.

    But I don’t see any advantage (as of now) for Rafale-M on STOBAR carrier in terms of payload and in storage. It would become an unnecessary costly asset on both of India’s STOBAR carrier, on the deck as well as hanger, without folding wings.

    INS Vikramaditya Hanger – 130m x 23m x 5.7m
    INS Vikrant (IAC-I) Hanger – 134m x 21m x 7.2m
    Charles De Gaulle Hanger – 138m x 29m x 6.1m

    without folding wings, Rafale-M is likely to take more space inside the hanger of the Indian carriers.
    Rafale-M Winspan – 10.8m
    MiG-29K/KUB Wingspan – 7.8m (folded)

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2289382
    JangBoGo
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    I still keep to my theory it was a flying mistake! And one should not be killed for that in pease time. I remember 3 shootings downs, The Korean 707 in North Russia, the Korean 747 in Sibiria and the Cessna on Cuba. It seems we have to do with political eagerness 🙁

    I was in Abu Dhabi as an air traffic controller when the shoot down of the Iran air happened. And it is actually VERY appropriate! Very young nervous trigger happy soldiers not thinking about human life. That was the reason……

    Don’t you feel any shame accusing the Russians of shoot downs, when you yourself were witness to the Iranian CIVILIAN airline getting shot?

    No wonder you cannot recollect the shooting down of Iranian airliner… :rolleyes:

    JangBoGo
    Participant

    If the NATO get involved Russia will not, they neither have the will nor the resources to get engaged in conflicts outside their peripheries (read Georgia)

    Do you belong to the group who considers India as a world power and in line to be a superpower and among the experts on internet forums, who is planning to fight a two front full blown war (including N-war) with Pakistan & China?

    If yes, God save India from such an adventure. The remains of such a war would be only those internet experts, who doesn’t live in India, with more of their expertise in forums & media. And those already in India would be the first ones to catch their first flight to their safe heaven, when hostility changes to higher level

    If No, Good. Either way, the fact on the ground remains that Russia at the very moment have X times more resources (non-nuclear) than India at its disposal to engage NATO. It may not have resources to engage the opponent all around the globe, which is not needed anyway, but it have enough resources to nail down the vital nodes, which could bring down the entire Europe to an economic collapse.

    But Russia as of now has not shown that political resolve to act on that line and I see two main reasons for it.
    1) Russia do not want to see a complete economic collapse for Europe and want Europe to recover.
    2) Russia doesn’t want to make it much harder for President Obama during his election time with such hostility.

    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Finally, something which probably supports the view that Iranian military hijacked the American drone RQ-170 by hacking into it….

    Researchers use spoofing to ‘hack’ into a flying drone
    29 June 2012 Last updated at 10:54 GMT

    American researchers took control of a flying drone by hacking into its GPS system – acting on a $1,000 (£640) dare from the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    A University of Texas at Austin team used “spoofing” – a technique where the drone mistakes the signal from hackers for the one sent from GPS satellites.

    The same method may have been used to bring down a US drone in Iran in 2011.

    ………………….

    Potential dangers

    The spoofed drone used an unencrypted GPS signal, which is normally used by civilian planes, says Noel Sharkey, co-founder of the International Committee for Robot Arms Control.

    It’s easy to spoof an unencrypted drone. Anybody technically skilled could do this – it would cost them some £700 for the equipment and that’s it,” he told BBC News.

    “It’s very dangerous – if a drone is being directed somewhere using its GPS, [a spoofer] can make it think it’s somewhere else and make it crash into a building, or crash somewhere else, or just steal it and fill it with explosives and direct somewhere.

    “But the big worry is – it also means that it wouldn’t be too hard for [a very skilled person] to work out how to un-encrypt military drones and spoof them, and that could be extremely dangerous because they could turn them on the wrong people.

    now, a question also arise… could we see more aircrafts crashing into buildings in the future…. 😮

    SPOOFING EXPLAINED

    “Imagine you’ve got a plane in the air and it sends back information to the person controlling it on the ground.

    So if I wanted to fly my drone on a route between London and Birmingham, delivering mail for instance, I would get continuous signals coming back telling me where it is at all times.

    And I would get GPS co-ordinates, using a signal from the satellite to navigate.

    But if the drone is near Birmingham, but it receives GPS co-ordinates for Gloucester, it would then think it is in Gloucester and make an adjustment to go further north, changing the course.”

    Noel Sharkey

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2012 #2289396
    JangBoGo
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    Researchers use spoofing to ‘hack’ into a flying drone

    29 June 2012 Last updated at 10:54 GMT

    American researchers took control of a flying drone by hacking into its GPS system – acting on a $1,000 (£640) dare from the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    A University of Texas at Austin team used “spoofing” – a technique where the drone mistakes the signal from hackers for the one sent from GPS satellites.

    The same method may have been used to bring down a US drone in Iran in 2011.

    Venezuelan drones, if earlier posted sorry…
    Chavez unveils surveillance drone

    14 June 2012

    Venezuela’s president has said the country has begun producing unmanned aerial surveillance drones.

    Hugo Chavez said the aircraft were being built as part of military co-operation with Iran and other allies.

    In a televised address from the country’s defence ministry, Mr Chavez said the aircraft, of which he said there are currently three, were solely for defensive purposes.
    ……….

    The drone has a range of 100km (60 miles) and can reach an altitude of 3,000m according to Gen Julio Morales, head of the state-run Cavim arms manufacturer, which developed the aircraft.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2015225
    JangBoGo
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    Kirov class size “destroyers” won’t happen. At best you can dream of baby kirov’s like the planned project 1293 and the project 1199 that would have shared the same hull as the 1293. Those would have had displacement between 13000 and 15000 tons.

    Yes, I agree….it might be in the small Slava class than the Kirovs. But even the pr.1164 with proper modernization gives it immense capability expansion from what it has now.

    btw, the new destroyer was to be completed by 2016 as per report last year. But the article also has contradicting part that it will start only in 2016. As per the article, the design was to start in last quarter of 2011 and to finish in two years. i.e. 2013.

    Russia set to build nuclear-powered destroyer by 2016

    ST. PETERSBURG, June 30, 2011

    Russia will finish in 2016 the construction of a new class destroyer, which will most likely be nuclear powered, commander of the Russian Navy Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky said on Thursday.

    “A prototype of an ocean-going class destroyer will be built in 2016 for the country’s Navy,” Vysotsky said at the 5th International Maritime Defense Show, IMDS-2011, in St. Petersburg.

    The admiral added there was a 90 percent probability that the warship would be equipped with a nuclear-powered engine.

    President of Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation Roman Trotsenko said earlier on Thursday that his company would start designing a new-generation, nuclear-powered destroyer for the Russian Navy this fall.

    He said the design phase will take up to two years.

    So has the design work atleast started?
    If the design work can be completed by 2013-14, then why waste two more years of time and only start building it in 2016? :rolleyes:

    w.r.t the Skorpion class… did they even seriously check for foreign customers? Iran could have become a probable customer as these missile boats/ships would be bringing their capability to a much higher level. class. Any deal would have also meant much needed funds for Russian yards.

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