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  • in reply to: Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18 #2320687
    JangBoGo
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    Good to see NLCA finally fly.

    Is there any shots of its landing? and how long did it run to halt?

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793258
    JangBoGo
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    Video of PSLV C-19 launch on April 26, 2012.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPvxbwJX_W4&feature=relmfu

    There was new trials with the camera this time and they tried to offer a fresh touch with the broadcasting.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793283
    JangBoGo
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    simple question. why ?
    all I see is your opinion.

    You can find the answer yourself…. would you like to move around independently with your own ability or would you like to depend on others to walk around?

    why just two ? make it 2 dozen while we are exaggerating. πŸ˜€

    and I guess a single road mobile TEL can launch half a dozen ICBMs without any problem ?

    Now you are exaggerating πŸ˜€

    you haven’t seen one. kindly do not assume you know how it looks like.
    btw, road mobile TELs aren’t quite small either.

    I havn’t seen it and hopefully you have not seen it either. But both of us have likely read it from magazines when our first rail-mobile system was used with illustration.

    From what is available we know the launcher bogie carry only one missile (same as what Russian system does). (1)
    The reload are kept in another bogie. How many are carried I’m not sure. But considering the size it might be only one and possibly two. (1 + 1)
    Then we heard about the launch and control room for the missile system in adjacent bogie. If if is integrated into the engine then fine. Else another bogie housing the control room and personnel. (1 + 1 + 1)
    Then all these need to be moved as none of the bogies are automotive, which means a diesel engine is needed for motive power. (1 + 1 + 1 + Engine)

    So for 1-3 Agni missiles (higher side) we need a train that is almost the size or maybe longer than the size of a normal metro.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793288
    JangBoGo
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    The weight of the missile does not correspond to the range looking at other long range missiles in the world.

    The warhead is unnaturally large. Either India is not confident that they cannot miniaturize their nuclear warheads to a small enough size or they put a huge warhead on it just to constrain the range.

    Here is speculative illustration of the supposed lightest ICBM in the world. It was cancelled by Gorbachev in 1991. The Yanks cancelled their Midgetman in 1992.

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/442/bofCt.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/442/s22og.jpg

    3-stage solid
    length – 11.2 m
    diameter – 1.36 m
    Weight – 15,000 kg
    Payload – 500 kg
    Warhead – 100-150KT Nuclear
    Range – 10000-11000 miles
    CEP – no more than 350 m
    Operating temperature – -40 to +50 degrees C

    Added later
    I must add here that earlier the American Govt agencies reports had talked about how India’s ICBM is likely to be on Topol-M. Probably now both are enjoying their honeymoon and the reason why no one from America said that Agni-5 is based on the above cancelled missile seeing the similarity. :p

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2020692
    JangBoGo
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    Another one from TR1’s post…showing the Island and the tower

    http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=274622&download=2

    Its a shame not to see any Kashtan/Palma on the ship.

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2020698
    JangBoGo
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    ^^
    its not even 8-9 if we take the article that Jo Asakara posted. It says 5 x pr.885M subs including Kazan (the 2nd ship). The lead one (pr.885) of the class is already out on sea trials which add up to make just 6 subs by 2021. Thats is a very low figure. :dev2:

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2020701
    JangBoGo
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    It’s just a radio/communications mast, such that most next-gen frigate/destroyer designs have. Probably plays a role in the ATC’s job, but that’s not where the controllers reside.

    yeah think so.
    Only on closer look did I find that there is no provision for human stationing.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2020705
    JangBoGo
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    It is NOT an ATC tower and it is NOT optimaly placed to see the front and back of the ship.

    yep, I think you are right. On closer look there is no provision for human “comfort” on that tower.

    So there is only one ATC related part and that is on the island and we see it right above the bridge in the below picture. The close-up picture of the island gives us a good view of the ATC which is protruding outward.

    http://pics.livejournal.com/kuleshovoleg/pic/000braea

    Added later.
    On the placement of the above said tower. The tower is placed on the extreme edge and for sure the ski-jump and parking lot will be visible..but on how much and how far remains to be seen.

    in reply to: Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18 #2321270
    JangBoGo
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    But note that this order depends on the An-124 being modernised, & put back into production, for which a larger order was necessary than India was willing to commit to. It also implies some uncertainty in the delivery dates, performance, & ultimate cost.

    At worst, an Indian deal to buy modernised An-124s off a re-opened production line could have been another Gorshkov, with years of delays & demands for more money to complete the deal.

    India was able to buy C-17 from a functioning production line, with both delivery & performance assured.

    Gorshkov and An-124 are not the same, work on Gorshkov was much more complex and was like building almost 2 carriers.
    The dealy in An-124 procurement will be on how soon they can start production of the aircraft and deliver it. But the cost of An-124 will anyway be lower than that of C-17 for the same number of orders. $400+ million per aircraft for strategic heavy lift is just insane!
    IAF still don’t show any urgency for augmenting the the AWACS fleet, but they are more interested in having C-17s and strategic airlift. :p

    The An 124 is in the C5 Galaxy class heavy lifter not comparable to the C-17.

    I don’t believe India is in the market for a strategic heavy lifter.

    True its in the class of C5 and still the An-124 costs less than the C-17.

    http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_AN-124_and_C-17_lg.jpg

    Btw, C-17 is bought as a strategic heavy lifter by completely ignoring the true heavy lifter on the market. πŸ˜‰
    Like the Bofors, in the near or distant future we’ll get to hear a lot on who all made money in many deals that happened from 2004 onwards…

    in reply to: Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18 #2321276
    JangBoGo
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    let me qualify it further..all new prototypes with new landing gear configurations do not retract their undercarriage. Once it has been validated, other prototypes retract theirs during their first flights..for instance, LSP-7 retracted its gear during its first flight itself, since they were confident that it would work fine and had no risk. But TD-1 didn’t retract its landing gear during its first flight being the first of its type. NP-1 will follow the same principle.

    Yeah, I agree.
    But before any flight tests, tests on under carriage are done numerous times when the airframe is still on the assembly line. But still its a norm for almost all to keep the undercarriage non-retracted during their first flight.

    But what i was mentioning was w.r.t to the article in which the author mentions non-retracting as a sign that something was/is wrong.

    in reply to: Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18 #2321280
    JangBoGo
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    but has absolutely no frills whatsoever. Neither for the crew nor for anyone else being transported. Very noisy in the cargo hold area and can be very fatiguing to fly as a passenger.

    That happens when using an aircraft brought for transport military and troop deployment. Also the cargo hold is not pressurized and insulated which causes the sound to filter in (along with the NVH of the engines)

    btw, most of the complaints about the discomfort & noise created by the An-32 come only from the media guys who on tax-payers money enjoy the free-ride. No military guy will complain about an aircraft which was meant for military transport.

    in reply to: Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18 #2321294
    JangBoGo
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    LCA naval variant’s first flight on Friday

    The pitbull is finally ready to leap off its pudgy feet πŸ™‚

    from the above link..

    But they will not retract the undercarriage, as they do not want to take a chance. β€œIt is potentially risky to retract it,” a source said, indicating that there are some problems still persistent. The undercarriage is retracted to reduce the drag experienced by aircraft.

    the later part was not really required. All do the first flight without retracting the undercarriage..

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793300
    JangBoGo
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    what a matured strategic force needs is an automotive TEL. Not a TEL which needs another diesel engine to give it motive power and two other bogies to launch 1-2 missile. Hope ppl will be able to figure out how long a rail-mobile missile “unit” looks like. From what is seen in open, even the rail-mobile TEL looks primitive compared to what the Russians employed.

    Designing TEL (rail & road) is no childs play and require good innovative solutions. A crude over-engineered stuff as an after-though is not the solution, it has to be planned along and considered as an integral part of the system. That is the main difference we see when we compare the Russian systems and systems from around the world. Be it the Scud or the Topol or any other. All are blessed with a good TEL mainly because it is included as an integral part of the whole system and given as much priority.

    Even our Prithvi missiles does not have a good TEL and its logistical footprint is not very good. Iskander is the best SRBM system in the world and that include the storage, mobility and the logistical footprint.

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/sGxoL.jpg

    what we see (or consider) in the above picture is 22 x Iskander missiles (one re-load truck is empty, else it is 24).
    The payload of each missile is 450+ Kg though some mention Iskander-M with 800Kg payload. If we take 450Kg of payload per missile, what we are seeing in that picture is nearly 11tons (for 24 nos) of deliverable payload upto a range of 480Km from just 12 trucks!

    compute that to how many we require for the Prithvi to deliver the same payload (to the same range) and we will understand why good TEL is required.

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/pZZQc.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/otPcc.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/ifsb2KsPxL.jpg

    The re-load vehicle comes with its own transferring crane which make things a lot easier.

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/GogCt.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/ud4qh.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/gCZQH.jpg

    more here…

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/2f66Y.jpg

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/185/BfCtP.jpg

    we’ll see a lot of “roads” like these all around in India and North east is even worse. The “woods” in the area will also look similar and gives natural camouflage… For such places we require good TEL for tactical as well as long-range missiles. Dreaming off railway lines everywhere would be too much.

    Good video of the MAZ.
    Scud launcher
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwGzzE4fNTA&feature=fvwrel
    Topol-M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_-rneUjmQ&feature=related

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793301
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    Agreed on that. Plus from wiki:

    – Indian Railways has 114,500 kilometres (71,147 mi) of total track over a route of 65,000 kilometres (40,389 mi) and 7,500 stations.

    That is a lot of railway track. I am sure that would present enough “maneuvering space” and is much faster than being road mobile.

    IMHO, while road TELs would be nice the current rail launch system is largely adequate for now.

    Even after having so many thousands of kilometers of railways that give “maneuverable” space, India is desperate to have the 3rd leg of the triad to be completed as soon as possible. Does it goes well with the theory of a sound survivable rail-mobile system?

    “maneuverable” space is something that can be used on a sort of tactical level…. A rail-mobile TEL cannot create a new route as it wish, that is a fact. It can only motion itself on the pre-installed lines & predictable routes. Where as a road mobile TEL can charter itself new routes for deployment or re-deploying.

    I’m not trying to say that rail-mobile TEL is hopeless, but a road-mobile TEL have more advantages if we have the right stuff and not ridiculous container-trailer like TEL shown for all the Agni-series missile, including those paraded for A3 on R-Day.

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793306
    JangBoGo
    Participant

    some more good shots from the unexpected entry given to the media

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-1284080A000005DC-464_964x643_popup.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-1283DFE4000005DC-280_964x620.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-128B4AFE000005DC-265_964x636.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-128CC7AC000005DC-445_470x645.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-128B7AD0000005DC-949_470x645.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/12/article-2128593-128B4AE5000005DC-253_964x646.jpg

    From the media tour it was apparent the importance of the Satellite control center. Unlike the other control room, the media guys were not let loose to the “well” of the control center and they only watched it from the gallery.

    I find it little bit strange that the layout in North Korean Satellite Control Center is very similar to the Russian Space center down to the top part where the welcome message can be seen. Was it just an inspiration?

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