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  • in reply to: Indian Navy – News & Discussion – IV #2021346
    JangBoGo
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    INS Vikramaditya….same pic that TR1 had earlier posted the link. The entire area filled with broken ice looks very beautiful 😎

    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/naval-warfare/28877d1334275664-admiral-gorshkovs-sea-trial-may-detail177097.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Navy – News & Discussion – IV #2021348
    JangBoGo
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    Some more pictures from DFI
    http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/5245/bl17logshipyard1055356f.jpg

    http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4590/newvendurutybridgeview.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Navy – News & Discussion – IV #2021352
    JangBoGo
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    Wasn’t sure if these clearer shots of IAC1 had already been posted (taken 16 & 17 March 2012), so here they are anyways:

    http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6421/1516161.jpg

    http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6753/1516162.jpg

    she looks great, but seems like no further external work have been done. CSL looks busy with other orders right now.

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793465
    JangBoGo
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    The below data is from the launch of India’s Agni-5 ICBM
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3330921.ece?homepage=true

    It was a flawless flight and the three stages jettisoned on time. The third stage fired the re-entry vehicle into the atmosphere at perfect angle at an altitude of 100 kms. The pay load withstood the searing temperatures of around 3000 degree Celsius.

    When the North Korean rocket was launched and when it broke up, it had reached an altitude of 120Km.

    Can anyone compare the two and give some details?
    Agni-5 is 3-stage solid fueled ICBM, where as the Unha-3 rocket is 3-stage liquid fueled satellite launcher.

    Any estimate data on how much 1st stage burn etc?

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793466
    JangBoGo
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    you are extrapolating others’ situation to India. all of India’s strategic missiles are rail mobile, including today’s agni-5.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Agni_V_Launch.jpg/800px-Agni_V_Launch.jpg
    road based TEL made sense for countries with vast wildernesses like russia, US

    Are you saying that India do not need a road mobile TEL?

    even Russia have almost closed the chapter with rail based TEL and India’s “inspiration” and idea for such a thing most likely came from the Russian experience. But it is not the best way. Road mobile TEL is the way to move forward as it can go much more places than what a rail carriage can go.

    But in the current situation (with no canisters like Topol-M), the rail carriage would be a better idea as the carriage will give protection to the missile from environment and other factors that could affect its operational life and performance.

    But TEL has to be the way forward as it gives good maneuvering space compared to the railway lines.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793468
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    Arun_S is of the opinion that the actual range of A5 is much more than quoted.

    from another forum ..

    Arun_S said
    IMHO satellite launch capability is being mis read by media. The craft can only place very small satellite in low earth orbit. Hardly of military value (mil value sats are RISAT type weighing few humdred Kg in 900 km orbit.)

    OTOH what the spokesmen are saying is that the craft is capable of placing few hundred kg sats in low earth orbit; a.k.a this missile is a full range ICBM (>20 K Km reach) that can place a half tonne warhead any corner of the world. I am surprised no one has caught on this clear statement.

    any thoughts?

    So probably that explains NATO’s quick response that Indian missile launch does not present any threat?

    I’m not an expert on the matter….so it puzzles me on how that 20K range is possible :confused:
    Does it not follow a pure ballistic trajectory….or …..is that range achieved by the final stage orbiting for a while before re-entry?
    Can anyone explain?

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793470
    JangBoGo
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    Nope, you’ve ignored the reason for the launch. The paint job on the rocket is unimportant. The date of the launch attempt was very important indeed. It was the 100th birthday of the (dead for 18 years, but still in office) first & eternal president of North Korea, the God-King whose grandson is now the semi-divine ruler, anointed by heaven where his grandfather rules supreme, blessing His beloved people with fine weather when they do not offend Him or stray off His true path of Juche.

    Have you actually paid any attention to what goes on in North Korea? I remember when its government paid for multi-page advertisements in the main British newspapers to celebrate Kim Il-Sung’s birthday. They were totally bonkers. They were insane – but apparently, deadly serious. They not only claimed that he was infallible, but stated that the weather & wildlife had celebrated his birth, that the sun broke through clouds to shine on his birthplace to mark the time he was born, etc.

    The rocket launch was completely, totally, & utterly about appearances. It was saying (mostly to the poor bloody North Koreans who paid for it) “Look at what we can do!”, & an act of worship of their founding deity.

    No I did not ignore. But to say that they made the decision to launch or test the rocket only due to the 100th birth anniversary is wrong. The date of launch may have been made to coincide with the week of celebration….but I’m sure they planned and started preparing for this launch since the last flight of the rocket in 2009. After the current launch, we heard that they will be preparing another launch of this rocket in 2years.

    I don’t know about North Korean advertisement in British newspapers as I don’t live there and no one reported about it in the forum.

    But I don’t buy the theory that the launch was for appearance. Their first priority definitely was (and has to be) to test their technology and create a base for the next level. The next priority could have been for boosting the image or anything like that. If it was just for appearance, they first of all would have resisted any opening of the event to foreign media in the face of strong Japanese and South Korean propaganda against the launch. If it was purely for appearance, they would could have avoided the media and promoted wrong story to their people that the rocket launch was successful etc. But that is not what happened. They reported about the failure without much fanfare and in silence. And that is natural because it is embarrassing when an event with so much expectation fails in its mission.
    But that happens every where, we in India have been witnessing many rocket launches through our national broadcaster and the last flight of the GSLV was the most embarrassing for me of all the launches that I have watched. It is not because the rocket could not succeed in its mission (they will manage it next time), but because, for the first time, the telecast ended abruptly without the routine as if someone unplugged the telecast. I’ve never seen such a reaction during earlier failures like the one I saw last time when GSLV failed.

    No, they said they’d shoot it down if it looked as if it might land in Japan. Not the same thing.

    well that is not exactly how the Japs & yanks behaved. They reached to that level of “consideration” when they realized that the outright threat of shooting it down wont work and will only complicate matter for the worse. That is what i remember from the news telecasts..

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793472
    JangBoGo
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    Some comparisons chart for the North Korean missiles….

    http://realdealtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/north-korean-missiles1.jpg

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59119000/gif/_59119703_n_korea_missiles_464.gif

    The new missile size has to be between 15-20m and it has to be in the 17m range as Distiller pointed out. What could be the range – 6,000+ km?

    Below is a good shot of the new missile from above…

    From the looks, Agni-5 and new DPRK missile is likely to be of same length.
    It would be good for India if we can acquire that TEL from the Chinese for a discounted price as most Indian internet warriors dislike Russia for asking too much price. :p

    On a serious note the new 16×16 TEL carrier looks perfect size for India’s Agni-5 ICBM. This is the kind of carrier that India need. Even if there is no canister, it will do. But without a proper TEL is strictly no. Its a must have.

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793515
    JangBoGo
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    Nasa need to learn too…man that bin next to the brown jacket is almost spilling over..!!:eek:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eoa7aTS35vI/TJfdzVbqohI/AAAAAAAAAlk/rBDMGa3Vwm0/s1600/Mission_control_centerShuttle.jpg
    http://www.firstpost.com/topic/organization/indian-space-research-organisation-indian-scientists-watch-displays-as-they-sit-in-th-image-0e5G3ApfoPaNs-91727-1.html

    :rolleyes:

    the ability of some people at self depreciation never ceases to amaze me…

    ok maybe i was wrong in writing….let me make it clear little more.
    By the clean stuff I mean not the table and contents on it or the crowded room. The screen shot I made came up with the engineers and their table also and may have conveyed different meaning. I meant the large display, the arrangement of 1 + 4 display…. it looks very neat and good. That is what I was mentioning. You might have seen many rocket launches in India and seen how the launch station of ISRO looks like.

    ISRO’s centre still have those small screens compared to the well laid out large displays that we get to see in the Korean control centre…

    btw, is it a rule that we should not learn or see the positive things from those who are lower to us in terms of capablity?? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793523
    JangBoGo
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    Mobile 3-stage liquid? Because of the rail? Or because the vehicle’s tires are not flattened by the weight?

    would it not be better to look underneath the vehicle than the tires to see if the vehicle is loaded or not…

    in reply to: North Korean Satellite launch #1793526
    JangBoGo
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    some more good photos that were not posted.

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59559000/jpg/_59559071_hpasmskw.jpg

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59559000/jpg/_59559078_sdumv4im.jpg

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59559000/jpg/_59559574_pmcpvjtp.jpg

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread #2021360
    JangBoGo
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    Packing some nice tech for her size; she’ll be the ideal compliment to the Stereguschy class.

    Does the Buyan class have ASW armament?

    They do not have a direct one as Wanshan pointed out earlier.

    But they do have another design form JSC Zelenodlsk Design Bureau for ASW purpose. The new Pr.1124M is not to be confused with the earlier Pr.1124. We can see the hull design have some similarity with the Pr.21360/21361….but unlike the pr.21630/21361, they have channeled the exhaust to the top.

    In the last attachment you can see three good designs from the same design bureau. Pr.1124M, Pr.21360 & Pr.1166.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793564
    JangBoGo
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    range increased significantly, can now go boom boom on Beijing instead of just Chengdu

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59698000/gif/_59698869_agni_v_missile_range.gif

    Even Agni-3 can cover entire china with reduced payload. But that option is probably not used maybe because India still does not have a miniaturized N-warhead which will give it the required “BANG” for deterring the Chinese. Hence, probably the need for a longer range ICBM without having to sacrifice the payload capacity. When the warhead design becomes better in the future, we’ll see MIRV also..

    Another factor is the lack of proper (or even non-existent) TEL for the strategic missiles. So India want to launch the missile without taking it to the north-eastern sector and such a launch would need greater ranger than what Agni-3 can provide.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793566
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    Why no one posted pictures? Here some pictures from todays launch from Hindu…
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3331067.ece

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/teamagni_1057980g.jpg

    The team of scientists led by V. K. Sarawat, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister, before the launch of Agni-V at Wheeler Island off the Odisha Coast on Thursday. Photo: V. V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/agni_1057956g.jpg

    India’s indigenously developed nuclear-capable Agni-V ballistic missile takes off from Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast on Thursday. Photo: DRDO

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/scientists_1057970g.jpg

    Chief Controller (Missiles and Strategic Systems) Avinash Chander, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister V. K. Saraswat and Director, Advanced Systems Laboratory V.G. Sekaran celebrate with fellow scientists after the successful launch of Agni-V. Photo: V. V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01058/announce_1058002g.jpg

    V. K. Sarawat, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister, announces the successful launch of Agni-V. Photo: V. V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/monitor_1057973g.jpg

    Scientists monitor the launch of Agni-V from the control room. Photo: V. V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_11_1057967g.jpg

    Agni – V, India’s longest range ballastic missile with a range of over 5000 kms, being uploaded on to the road mobile launcher prior to the test launch. Photo: V.V.Krishnan.

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_5_1057961g.jpg

    Architetcs of the mission: (from left), Avinash Chander, Chief Contoller (Missiles and Strategic Systems), V G Sekaran, Director, Advanced Systems Laboratory, Hyderabad and V K Saraswat, Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister. Photo: V.V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_1_1057957g.jpg

    Scientists engaged in a discussion at the integration centre on Wednesday. Photo: V. V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_3_1057959g.jpg

    The railway track built around the facilities to transport missiles and other heavy equipment from the jetty at Wheeler island. Photo: V.V. Krishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_8_1_1057964g.jpg

    The Interceptor Missile launchpad at Wheeler island. Photo: V.V.Krishnan.

    http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01057/AGNI_10__1057966g.jpg

    Remote cameras being set up for the launch of Agni V. Photo: V.V.Krishnan.

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1793568
    JangBoGo
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    Although I am ignorant as to the details (do they still think it possible to survive a nuclear attack because of the size of their population?).

    who are you talking about, the Indians or the Chinese?

    India cheers as Agni-V puts it among major missile powers

    This is the first time India has test fired a three-stage, all solid-fuelled missile. Many new technologies including the state of art navigation system and carbon composite rocket motor casings were tested in the missile. All the radar telemetry and electro optical stations along the coast besides three ships tracked the flight trajectory of the missile and final terminal event at the impact point.

    The fireball that erupted when the dummy payload hit the waters of the Indian Ocean was recorded by the cameras on board the ships stationed around the impact point. The missile weighed 50 tonnes and is capable of carrying a nuclear war head weighing 1.1 tonne. However, in this mission, a dummy payload simulating the weight of war head was carried.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3330921.ece?homepage=true

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