Harvard is PAF1747/G-BGPB “Taz” of the Aircraft Restoration Company…..
and very comfy it is too. 🙂

Taken on the 17th Feb and looking as nice as ever.

Brian

Totally agree with everything you say Adrian, it is a very, very dark grey area. Being a Civil Servant, the photographs I take on MOD property can, I think, be classed as Crown Copyright. But then again they might not be. Depends on what you read or who you talk to.

There was a very badly written instruction released recently that banned the taking of all photographs, by all means, by all Service and Civilians employed in the MOD of anything MOD. It was basically to stop un-censored photographs taken on duty in certain sand pits from reaching the public domain. The way it was written though it brought up the situation that if I was to go on a base tour with a group of civilians, which I do, they could take and publish photographs of aeroplanes but as an MOD employee, I could not. I have heard, thankfully, that this instruction is being re-written.

As for your point b): If it is a Crown Copyright Photo then there ‘should’ be an official rubber stamp on the back of it giving the location and the date and it is the time from that date that counts.

Brian

Melvyn, whilst not doubting your word, do you have any advice where this can be found in writing on a government publication/website etc. All the usual places that you would expect to find a clear answer on the commercial usage of such material (ie a book) has left me with more questions than answers,

kind regards and thanks.

steve

Steve

Hope this is of some help. The ‘Official Definition of Crown Copyright’.

Crown Copyright
 Crown Copyright is defined as works “made by Her Majesty or by an officer or servant of the Crown in the course of his duties” (Section 163, Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988)

 All literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works (including computer software) produced by officers or servants of the Crown (including the Armed Forces) in the course of their duties are Crown Copyright.

 The most obvious material covered includes reports, photographs and films, Regimental badges and other insignia.

 The badges, crests and insignia of HM Armed Forces are Crown Copyright, and not the property of HM Ships, Army Regiments and Royal Air Force Squadrons.

 MOD and Armed Forces personnel can copy MOD Crown Copyright material without limitation, provided that it is in the course of their duties and for official purposes.

 For substantial copying of Crown Copyright from other Crown bodies, the body in question should be informed. This particularly applies where a Trading Fund organisation is the issuing authority – i.e. one where income from their information products is relied upon to fund their existence (e.g. Ordnance Survey maps).

 Crown Copyright lasts for 125 years from the end of the year in which a work was created or 50 years from the end of the year in which it was published.

 In the case of photographs those over 50 years old go out of copyright. Thus a photograph taken on any day in 1953 will remain in Copyright until 31 December 2003.

See Exception 3 HERE

Would that be the ‘Battle of Britain’ Class of trains then?:D 😀 😀

Brian