I think its good that the palestinians are attacking against Israeli military targets for change…there is no shame nor bad to fight against foreing opressors, and if someone would occupy my home country, I definetly would be out there fighting… :dev2:

So you disagree with my statement that the Iran’s nuke discussion is the most flamable and update subject that concerns US foreing policy???

And what comes us “america-haters”, to blaim USA is just looking trough large pictures, seeing the “big bad wolf” behind the scenes…Europe (which isen’t anyway single state nor political player, other than in some brussel-burocrats dream) consist of many players and the “new europe”, the fromer warsaw pact states coupled with UK are pretty much doing exactly what USA says…only French and Germany have their own mind, and the rest of us, the peace loving little states just look from the side and groan about the gasprizes going to be get even hihger than they are now… 😉

This thread has strayed wildly off-topic, chaps.

Not to anyway critizies your or the whole forums moderation policy, but isen’t that bit cheap? I mean if you allow in first place a thread thats sole purpose from the begining is to “discuss” about the most flamable issue concerning US foreing policy at the moment, isen’t it rahter silly to jump in only in the middle to start wawing those “STOP ANTI-AMERICA” banners?? You must know by now (becouse at least I knew, and you have been here longer than me) that threads like these will end just like this one have, there weren’t no bright future for it.

Just makes me wonder :confused:

I dig up some more pics (so take it as an excuse for revialing this old thread…)

Seems like there have been two different variation of this plane, one whit Lavi type layout, which seems to be bit older desing and the nore comnmonly shown single engined rafale desing….

compared to this desing…

I managed to grasp some idea that the older desing is somewhat bigger, 16 meters and 16,000 tons in MTOW so more of class of Lavi and even J-10 overal size….(engine power migth have been smaller thougth)
Also one other thing pops in my mind. Like whit other conterpory ligth fighters, this one also features the cropped delta/douple delta wing in the older model but has statisfied to single delta wing on the later model…

This thread is starting to disgust me.

Then why to start it at the first place? You must know for now that not all of us are blind to US propaganda…

Again what comes to Iran issuing nukes to terrorist, Its just BS launched to scare peolpe in order to get them support actiaons against Iran…why would Iran give nukes to terrorist? It’s basicly the same if they would launch them by themselves? Also terrorist organisations are usually quite fuzzy and amy suddenly turn against you, so why to risk it?

And what comes to those talks about Israel…It’s pretty much the same when Bush comes to some foreing deployment unit of US army and gives a speech where he talks about axel of evil and how god have given him assigment to go crusade against big bad terrorist…it’s a boosting up of interional status and hegemony, Iran’s president just uses different phrases which will ensure the “mobs” support back home…

Seems like some propaganda has gotten into your head because if you truly think that there is no threat posed by Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons then I don’t know what else to say to you because you’re quite possibly the most blind person I’ve ever come across

Funny, becouse thats exactly what I’m thinking of you… :diablo: You often sound pretty much the stereotypic american redneck who have no clue about real world and blindly just repeat BS of rightwing nutcases currently in charge of Washington…no offence

Isen’t Iraq and Iran always beeing some sort of adversors? So as Saddam was busy issuing nukes to Al-queda…Who are recieving Iranian nukes, or have Al-queda just going for the hihgest bider :confused: :confused: 😉 :dev2: 😀

So what Gollaivanen is saying is not technically incorrect. But what he is incorrect about imho, is giving a clean chit to North Koreas lunatic leadership who are screwing with their people and doing nuclear blackmail…putting the rest of the world on the same pedestal and saying that they are responsible for sanctions alone..is clearly unfair..

Clean chit…I’m just stating that there are two sides of the coin. Kim is a lunatic, at least the impression of him (never met him, so I cannot be sure…) and yeas he (and his government) opress the people…But the US actions, like against Iraq doesen’t help the situation anyways.

Yes….let’s give terrorist groups access to nuclear weapons (which the current Iranian gov’t WILL do…..) and that will solve all of our problems. Are you kidding me? If I’m not mistaken Israel isn’t a nation that typically invades or otherwise attacks neighboring countries. They’ve been involved in many wars with Arab states because they were attacked or they had word of an impending attack…… Whatever your opinion on their policies regarding the Palestinians, the same does not apply to their dealings with other nations in the region. Israel is no more a nuclear threat to the Middle East than England, France, or the United States. Iran getting nukes isn’t likely to calm the Israelis either……rather make them more nervous than ever. Especially seeing as Iran’s president has made it quite clear that his goal is to “destroy the state of Israel.”

And you have some unreleased audio/video data that proof this? Or some other evidence? Comon, whos being black and white in here? Stating US propaganda as a fact is just ridicilous, you see Iran’s aren’t idiots, nor lunatics. Yeas Iran have said this and that, but to belive they actually going to do it shows, like the above statement that you really lack the ability to see trough propagandain general…

The USA? Perhaps the Iraq war makes you unnecessarily paranoid about us Americans invading your lands, but using nukes? You’ve got to be joking. Don’t even try and bring up the issue of Japan and World War II because I’ve heard all of that before and it doesn’t fly with me…..that was a different time, a different place, and a different situation. Japan would have never given up, and thousands if not millions more lives would have been spent (both Japanese & Allied, military & civilian) if the home islands had been attacked and invaded by conventional means.

I just pointed out that during Cold war USA had nukes aimed to our targets…would they have used them? Who knows, perhaps if the WWIII would have broken out. But the point is we don’t have to fear Iran as we are not making agressions towards them. And if we play along with your childish believes of terrorist with nukes, well I don’t fear them either, as our country doesen’t occupate nor opress any others nor gives any other reason to terrorist to hate us…