‘Replica’ is pushing it a bit. I know the plans are still commercially available, it is from California, an it uses the wings of a Grumman AA-1A.
I can only speak for myself. When I was younger, in pre-internet days, I used to buy FlyPast every month and two things seemed certain – I was a weird kid being interested in this stuff, and the Saunderses and Arnolds of this world were God-like and certainly not approachable.
This forum means that like-minded people can talk about what interests them whether they are published historians or that aeroplane-obsessed kid a lot of us were – or somewhere in between.
This in turn means that there will be, in an open platform for free speech like this, some comments that seem trite, naive, or even drivel. Not all of this from ‘outsiders’ either!
It also means that fresh ideas, viewpoints and voices enter the mix, keeping things in our little world fresh, and – pertinently – honest.
I don’t know about the former, but yes, the latter is absolutely right – the way the curve is drawn, adding camber ‘distorts’ the symmetry and brings the ‘actual’ leading edge forward. The plotting reference line was kept as the chord, even though it looks wrong.
Nothing on the Whirlwind is as it seems.
Ah, I see what Sycamore has done – he has factored in the forward speed vector to get the total velocity of the blade tip, not just the rotational component. Definitely one to feed back to teacher!
Of course, if the aircraft is stationary – and 800 rpm would suggest an engine at idle, as Moggy said – then this isn’t a factor.
..and THAT’S why we missed this man.
Still, the trig problem you quote is about the radius, half the diameter of the assembly, and not blade length.
In fact, you can get the circumference from the diameter of the assembly, by multiplying the diameter by Pi.
So, say diameter is 10.75 ft, your circumference is 33.77ft.
800 times this per minute is 27,016 ft/min
haha – then I don’t know!
No, seriously – I don’t have anything with me here at work, but I can probably do 3 blade DH bracket and Hydromatic variants as I should have the hub assembly dimensions at home – the trick then being to know where the blade ‘ends’ in the assembly, if you see what I mean.
Unless anyone else has those dimensions in the meantime.
In your problem, though, the whole assembly is rotating so the length in question is just half the diameter. 10ft 9in DH prop, your dimension (radius) is 5ft 4 1/2in. Or am I missing something?
Do you mean blades?
Absolutely!
There are significant differences between these and production whirlwinds – engine nacelles and tail acorn being the most obvious.The history of design development in these areas is known.
What we have is incomplete lofting information – small grey areas that the drawings that we do have don’t cover. One example is the area of fuselage side just above the wing root aft of the main spar, which seems to display very subtle double curvature.
It’s really a case of measuring these subtleties – but with the caveat that everything ‘around’ these subtleties – the basic lofting lines, so in the case of the area I mentioned the fuselage depth and half-breadth – has to match what we do know or we won’t use it. If that makes sense. This does seem to be a recurring principle of this kind of ‘reverse engineering’.
Ban that man! He sounds like a wrong ‘un to me.
Ah, well, pics (and dining table) are courtesy of Stu H (Mr Bluesky on here). I’ll ask him for more..
Sorry, who are you? 🙂
If he really is looking, I could point to a Whirlwind or two..
I know, the Sea Hornet and Halifax cockpit projects reported on in this forum are brilliant examples of that. A four-engine flying boat or a twin-engine WWII fighter do not fall into this category though.
Four engined flying boat maybe – it was always meant as a ‘thought experiment’, I wasn’t proposing it just yet.
However, if by ‘twin engined fighter’ you mean the Whirlwind project, you might be surprised. After all, you should take a look at the other project I have a hand in – http://www.flickr.com/photos/aeroreg/4950440713/ – very much a ‘flyers and badges’ operation, and absolutely no ‘backer’ money at all. Very little money generally. And, thanks to the project boss’ insistance on an authentic reverse-engineered Hawker tube-and-plate early wing, more complex than a Whirlwind to reproduce accurately – number of engines largely irrelevant.
And if size is your issue, I could point to a certain Halifax repro. Agreed, money is lovely to have if one is ambitious – but enthusiasm and patience count for as much.
Thanks!
That is a Solent, though – not the C-class.
True enough, Andy.
CeBro you’re right, some aeroplane talk would be a nice change. I know I didn’t help with my outburst. Signing off again.
Andy, I will ignore the unnecessary ‘Get over yourself’ bit as the rest was well argued. However, in saying it’s the advertising that pays you miss the point. If no-one bought the magazine no-one would pay to advertise in it.
Also, I was complaining of ‘mushroom treatment’ (kept in dark, sometimes fed cr*p), referring to the lack of communication, not a resolution.