JonesyHate to dissillusion you Scoots but the answer to how many GR7/9’s are embarked is zero!.
The USMC are providing Lusty’s airgroup apart from the Sea King ASaC’s and some other rotary’s if memory serves. Joint Force Harrier is extremely heavily tasked in Afghanistan at present so there are rarely many spare airframes to stick on a big grey boat.
This is the big issue with Joint Force Harrier unfortunately. The RAF have effectively gained an extra GR9 squadron, but, if we want one to embark on a CVS we have to wait for their priorities to allow it and justify why we want it!. A very bad idea from the start – just as we always knew!.
JonesyTrident,
Yeah a few people have picked out the bridge glazing as somehow looking ‘wrong’ and out of scale. Personally I like it aesthetically and think that, from a ship-handling standpoint, the clearer the view you can get the better. Wont be many excuses from the OoD slamming into a rock or small craft that he ‘didnt see’ from that bridge!.
The pic below (credit: Barry Watson) shows the glazing quite well – gives the ship a sleek aspect, like the old Amazon-class boats, I think!!!
Fedaykin,
The Phalanx guns are obviously not mounted yet nor, from what I can tell, are the DS30’s. Just a case of neither system being critical during sea trials and neither being a difficult or integral system to fit out at a later date.
James,
Which radar looking thingy? 🙂
The spherical array atop the foremast is the BAE SAMPSON multi-function radar (MFR) and the black array on the mainmast is the S1850 Volume Search Radar (VSR) which is essentially a knockoff of Thales SMART-L set.
The flight deck has been designed to ake choppers up to and including Chinny size and, I believe, the hangar can accomodate Merlin though FLynx/HMA8 is far more likely to be seen embarked.
JonesyWhat happened to common decency, common sense and grown men acting their age
I say again – are you being serious here?.
These lads are front line troops in a hostile environment – I think they know a damnsight more about responsibility and common sense than most who live pedestrian civvy lives, secure and comfortable, threatened only by the gang of 15yr old hoodies down the street!.
If they are having a laugh, causing no harm – apart from perhaps to the bush they exploded and giving a bit of a fright to a particularly inquisitive goat – how does it become an issue warranting 60-odd posts on this board crucifying them for their wanton cruelty?.
Have you considered that by letting off steam in this fashion they are, in fact, managing their stress levels and, at the price of a moderate startling of one goat, those troops may be better prepared mentally to deal with the next difficult situation they face with people?.
JonesyWhat happened to common decency, common sense and grown men acting their age
I say again – are you being serious here?.
These lads are front line troops in a hostile environment – I think they know a damnsight more about responsibility and common sense than most who live pedestrian civvy lives, secure and comfortable, threatened only by the gang of 15yr old hoodies down the street!.
If they are having a laugh, causing no harm – apart from perhaps to the bush they exploded and giving a bit of a fright to a particularly inquisitive goat – how does it become an issue warranting 60-odd posts on this board crucifying them for their wanton cruelty?.
Have you considered that by letting off steam in this fashion they are, in fact, managing their stress levels and, at the price of a moderate startling of one goat, those troops may be better prepared mentally to deal with the next difficult situation they face with people?.
JonesyI have been known for my Forwith Extraction of the Micheal now and again but just coz its a goat doesnt mean it deserves a bomb under its bum so a soldier can have a chuckle.
Like I said though Bex in the clip (i.e the original one that this thread was started to indulge in a bit of hand-wringing about) it is very clear that the US Marines dont want to blow the goats bum off nor any of its other vital body parts. Even to the point of things being thrown at said goats in order to shoo them away from the ground-zero detonation point of this high-order explosive device. Fortunately the objects thrown at said African Swallows….er…sorry Goats didnt connect and caused no obvious lasting trauma to these, deeply revered, creatures.
Perhaps a disclaimer is needed on the video that, in fact, no goats were harmed in the making of the film. Then again that would seem so readily obvious that some, I guess, would think it unecessary!.
JonesyI have been known for my Forwith Extraction of the Micheal now and again but just coz its a goat doesnt mean it deserves a bomb under its bum so a soldier can have a chuckle.
Like I said though Bex in the clip (i.e the original one that this thread was started to indulge in a bit of hand-wringing about) it is very clear that the US Marines dont want to blow the goats bum off nor any of its other vital body parts. Even to the point of things being thrown at said goats in order to shoo them away from the ground-zero detonation point of this high-order explosive device. Fortunately the objects thrown at said African Swallows….er…sorry Goats didnt connect and caused no obvious lasting trauma to these, deeply revered, creatures.
Perhaps a disclaimer is needed on the video that, in fact, no goats were harmed in the making of the film. Then again that would seem so readily obvious that some, I guess, would think it unecessary!.
JonesyYou gents are all taking the michael here arent you?. This thread smacks of the purest kind of Monty Python humour I’ve seen in a very long time.
‘How much of an MRE detonation does it take to scare a goat’ does seem to be close in on par with how many African Swallows it would take to carry a coconut?. Messrs Cleese, Palin etc couldnt do any better than you lads if you really are being serious here!.
As to the intent to harm the goat I’d suggest you watch this, hideous, traumatising clip again and watch the bit were the US Marine starts throwing things at the goats to chase them away from their little IED!. That is of course if the evil US Marine isnt infringing the rights of the goat to stand wherever it pleases in its own country!!!. Good grief!
JonesyYou gents are all taking the michael here arent you?. This thread smacks of the purest kind of Monty Python humour I’ve seen in a very long time.
‘How much of an MRE detonation does it take to scare a goat’ does seem to be close in on par with how many African Swallows it would take to carry a coconut?. Messrs Cleese, Palin etc couldnt do any better than you lads if you really are being serious here!.
As to the intent to harm the goat I’d suggest you watch this, hideous, traumatising clip again and watch the bit were the US Marine starts throwing things at the goats to chase them away from their little IED!. That is of course if the evil US Marine isnt infringing the rights of the goat to stand wherever it pleases in its own country!!!. Good grief!
JonesyErr
…as has been accurately described the tasking was as much drug interdiction as conventional MarPat.
Bit hard to see how a 500knt Hawk 200 is going to get an intercept in on a 500knt druggie bizjet if he messes up the cutoff angle or gets into a tailchase. Not such an issue for the Sukhoi I think you’d agree.
Always thought that the Su-34 variant was better for this tasking cos the crew, at least, could play cards or nip off to the potty on a long overwater patrol if it happened to be a slow news day.
Shame it wont happen now – had all the makings off a damned innovative idea!.
JonesyHyper
Where is Jonesy and Nick
Cant speak for Nick but, on this one, I’m in a deep dark place in the archive trying to get shot of the nervous twitch after last time!.
Jawad,
In addition to what others have said the US and UK largely considered their SSN force to be the primary antiship weapons system in their fleets.
If Ed will forgive me there were NATO countries REALLY concerned by Soviet surface ships in terms of seaborne invasion. They similarly chose the submarine, in the form of small coastal SSKs, as primary ASuW weapons systems as well. These though being backed by fully layered mine-warfare and coastal fast missile craft.
So, essentially, there was no percieved need for a Soviet-type heavyweight supersonic antiship missile for any of the NATO services hence none was ever seriously considered.
JonesyI’m not sure that the government isn’t in on the joke, & going along for its own reasons. I can’t help thinking of the Ohsumi-class – 13000 tons full load, but listed as 8900 tons. Through-deck LPDs, really (no hangarage for helicopters), but if you read the official blurb, it’s all about inter-island transport & disaster relief.
What name would you like best? Helicopter cruiser?
Its not a name Swerve!. Its knocking on the door of 20k ton’s!. This IS a true CGH at least. I’m waiting to hear what the deck lift capacity is to decide whether this is actually a CVL(G). Obviously if the deck lifts can accomodate an F-35B it appears operation of the type, albeit probably at a low optempo, would be little trouble. Not something you could say of other ‘DDHs’ or even CGH’s!.
JonesyBager
More importantly, it can reach a greater cruise altitude than any AEW helo, thus giving its radar a longer effective range (the current AEW radar in the RN’s Sea Kings can see out to the horizon… which is closer if you are at a lower altitude).
Does this mean that the V-22 fuselage is pressurised now?. I thought the achilles heels the AEW variant of Osprey was that the fuselage was actually smaller than that of Merlin and that the V-22 was unpressurised so that the altitude advantage couldnt be practically employed anyway?.
Scot,
Very nice pic…………its surprising on how large it is?
Its amusing how often the old jokes are still the best. This is a ‘DDH’ just like the Invincibles are ‘through-deck cruisers’ or the Kiev class were ‘heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers’. The JMSDF should be inducted into the honourable, if modest, fraternity of Navy’s recognised for peddling utter twaddle to its Govt!. Love it – bravo the JMSDF.
JonesyYou might want to take Trident out of the time-critical conventional strategic attack game here guys.
Do you know how long it takes to transmit even a three letter group with ELF frequency communication?. Then the sub has to get to a depth that VLF will work at, after ensuring the environment is safe to do so, receive its target set and firing instructions and then get the missiles into launch state. You could be looking at a 2hr time lag for that.
If you want a naval solution then forward deployed SSN’s with a Fasthawk derivative are the answer if you HAVE to stay covert with the delivery platform. Otherwise ensuring that standard VLS loadouts of any deploying escort include a complement of Fasthawk type weapons has to be the obvious choice for short target-to-shoot cycle strikes in hostile theatres.
JonesyQuick question that has always troubled me on this topic. Believers always describe their ‘myterious’ sightings as brightly glowing alien spacecraft.
Seeings as none of these spacecraft have ever nipped over to park at Dulles or Heathrow for a quick chat with the humans we can assume that they are attempting to be covert….shall we say stealthy….in their visits. Fair?.
So why the bright pulsing lights all over their vehicles?.
We are surely quite a technologically backward little planet compared to the Klingons or Asgard or whoever else you may believe is out there, but, even we have worked out that a stealthy air vehicle probably shouldnt have great big flashy lights all over it!.
…and before some smartar5e pops up with it – no Project Yehudi doesnt count cos its not the same thing!. 😎
JonesyItalian engines ????:confused:
I thought GE LMS series is going to power the ADS…
Yup the power plant selected is the LM2500 – just its the FIAT license built version.
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