Also I have a question, what do you guys think about the Atlantique ATL3? How does it fare to the P-3C and other P-3 variants?
Ja, isn’t it too many types right there? Maintenance won’t be easy 😛
You mean dumping the Be-200? I think it’s good, it’s range is good.
I like the S-80TD/TP, very versatile aircraft
-Very cheap to buy, 6-7 mean quoted by Sukhoi
-Extremely cheap to run and does not require much maintenance
-It’s can carry 21 parachutists
-It is fited with the PNK-80 avionics suite which allow it to carry and fire R-73, Vikhr, Kh-29T and the Kh-35 AshM, and other weapons.
-Can operate from anywhere and at STOL
Yes but not like Mig-21-93’s radar is much better, it’s pretty much the same, if not little worse. The Su-39 is a very good aircraft, it is armed with very wide array of weapons, LGBs, PGMs, ATGMs, AshMs, other ASMs, AAMs, ARMs and all kinds of weapons. Although I think it’s biggest current flaws might be
1)The short ranged radar for AA modes, though it’s decent
2)The airplane is pretty slow, almost supersonic in dive
3)the engine, it’s a turbojet, but as long as it does not affect maintenance it’s good.
Otherwise an outstanding plane for 10mn.
Main:
-Russian Option: Su-37 Super Flanker(AA, Anti-Shipping, Strike, Reconnaissance, SEAD, CAS, etc) + Su-39 Frogfoot(CAS, Strike, Air Defense, Anti-Shipping, etc)(Operated by the Army)
Su-37: Since I have so few Aircraft types in my Airforce, most of them are pretty cheap to buy and cheap to maintain so they can easily be supported. I can easily waste some money on something more expensive and capable as the Su-37 and to be used on something else besides Air Superiority. It can be armed with longest ranged Anti-Shipping Missiles and Air-to-Surface ordinance that combined with it?s range, it is as good as a Tu-22M Bomber.
Su-35: It would be used by the Army in their Close Air Support needs and also be used for Strike. It can also adopt secondary roles of Air Defense and Anti-Shipping because it can be armed with such weapons like R-77M-PD, R-73M2 and Kh-35.
OR
Cheap only Defence Option: S-400 Long Range SAM(Air Defense)(Operated by the Airforce) +
Su-39 Frogfoot(Heavy CAS, Strike, Air Defense, Anti-Shipping, etc)(Operated by the Army)
Since most of my Airforce is cheap to purchase, maintain and support, I can easily afford one or two expensive weapons such as the Su-37. The last option is only self-defence, emplying a Long Range SAM + Su-39 Frogfoot multirole striker to support it.
-K-8 Karakorum(Basic & Advanced Training, COIN, Helicopter Hunting, Drug Interdiction, Border Patrol, Airbase Defense, etc)
This is probably the cheapest jet trainer out there that can be bought in large numbers and is cheap, very simple and easy to operate and on top of all can be used for wide array of missions. It can be used for Helicopter Hunting/Airbase Defense by arming it with maximum of 4 R-73M2s and in the COIN and Drug Interdiction role it can be armed with Kh-29T, Vikhr and many other weapons.
-S-80TD/TP(Maritime Patrol, Drug Interdiction, Light Transport & Cargo, Troop Transport, Airborne Assault, Search and Rescue, Training, Limited Anti-Shipping & Strike, Pilot Training)
A great nice light transport that?s also very versatile. Besides being a transport, it has good avionics and radar and is armed with weapons like Kh-29T, Kh-35 AshM, Vikhr ATGM, R-73 for self defense and other stuff which opens it up for new capabilities. It?s cheap to buy and requires minimal maintenance.
-H-60 Variants(ASW, Anti-Shipping, Cargo, Drug Interdiction, C/SAR, Cargo, Utility, Transport, Special Operations, Medical Evacuation, etc)
Very versatile and capable helicopter that comes in many different versions. Comes in many different variants and is cheap to maintain.
-Il-76MF Candid(Heavy Transport & Cargo, Airlift, etc) + Il-78M Midas(Tankage)
A very reliable and capable plane. By operating two similar types, you greatly reduce maintenance, support and other costs.
-EMB-145SA/RS(Airborne Early Warning & Control, Airspace Management, Border Surveillance & Control, Sea Surveillance, Search & Rescue Coordination, Signals/Electronic/Communications Intelligence, Ground Surveillance, etc)
A very good plane with good radar that can perform wide array of missions. Affordable too.
1)Airforce Cost Savings in Maintenance, Support, Weapons, etc:
-There are 7 different aircraft types OR6 different types + 1 SAM.
I)Su-37 + Su-39(2 types of aircraft)
OR
S-400 + Su-39(1 type of aircraft + SAM)
II)EMB-145 comes in the RS and SA versions(1 type of aircraft)
III)K-8 Karakorum(1 type of aircraft)
IV)S-80 comes in TD and TP versions(1 type of aircraft)
V)Il-76 comes in the Il-76MD transport version and the Il-78M Tanker version(1 type of aircraft)
VI)H-60 comes in SH-60 Naval version and the UH-60 land version(1 type of aircraft)
-There are not many weapon types in my inventory
I)Su-37, Su-39, K-8 Karakorum and S-80TD/TP use the same weapons. S-80TD/TP uses R-73M2 for self defense while K-8 Karakorum uses it for Helicopter Hunting, Airbase Defense and Self-Defense. K-8 Karakorum uses Kh-29T and Vikhr for COIN, Drug Interdiction and Training while S-80TD/TP uses it for Drug Interdiction, Airborne Assault and Limited Strike. Meanwhile S-80TD/TP is also wired for Kh-35 supersonic Anti-Shipping missiles for limited use, the K-8 Karakorum is also wired for other weapons such as unguided bombs and rockets, machine guns and etc. The Su-35 uses all those weapons plus many, many others
II)The H-60 Variants, notably the SH-60 Naval version use obviously different weapons such as Torpedoes and special helicopter Anti-Shipping missiles.
-Weapons of Interest
I)H-60 Variants(AAM: FIM-92_ Stinger – AshM: AGM-119B Penguin – ASW: Mk50 Torpedos – ASM: Joint Common Missile)
II)K-8 Karakorum(AAM: R-73M2 – ASM: Kh-29T, Vikhr & other weapons)
III)S-80TD/TP(AAM: R-73M2 – AshM: Kh-35 – ASM: Kh-29T, Vikhr)
IV)Su-39(AAM: R-73M2, R-77M-PD – AshM: Kh-35 – ASM: all kinds)
V)Su-37(AAM: R-73M2, R-77M-PD, KS-172/K-37M – AshM: Yakhnot, Kh-35 – ASM: all kinds)
2)Dependability
-Besides also saving lots of money by operating very few types, I have also taken into consideration not to depend on single source of weapons. As you can see my weapons mix consists of American, Brazilian, Chinese and mostly Russian.
Also Optional/Secondary:
-SAMs are secondary
S-400(Long range SAM)
BUK-M1(Medium range SAM)
TOR-M1(Short range SAM)
Tanguska-M(Short range SAG)
S-400 is arguably the best longer ranged SAM in the World and the only thing that comes close to it is the S-300 series and the PAC-2. It is a generation ahead of them and would only be bought in smaller numbers since it can cover such a huge area of air space. I also chose BUK-M1 and TOR-M1 because their commonality with their Russian cousin the S-400 could somehow reduce some costs and they are also probably the best medium and short ranged SAMs in the World. All these SAMs come in affordable prices compared to pricey Western counterparts.
Yes, but it is suited for getting target information via datalink and attack with stand-off weapons like DWS-39 and Brimstone. And why is the AMX more survivable than the Gripen ?
Ok I guess thats correct
Their are no Be-200 operational anywhere in the ASW role. That doesn’t mean that there is no variant offered. At the moment it would be able to hunt submarines.
Yes but it does not exist though does it?
Huh ?? I got only one Jetfighter and no addicted CAS Aircraft. The Be-200 and the EMB-145 can be ordered with Allison engines (not exactly the same, but similar), I got no expansive heavy military transporter, only modified civlian transport. (No extra infrastructure needed !) Further more, I got only one heli-type. (A pretty cheap one !) And the drohnes have only different sensors (recce and elint).
Ok I guess thats correct, though good AF.
Yes definitely, with much better radar, avionics, range and such. Also Chile paid about 700mn for those 10 F-16s=70m/plane. Compare it to 35mn for a Su-35 offered to Brazil.
How about Mig-25’s AA victories and losses?
AFAIF F-14 will be kept till 2008 before it is replaced by all Sewer Hornets
so a replacement for P-3s?
Few problems
1)Gripen is not very suited to get down low and take the fire for CAS. You should really pick something like Su-39, AMX, A-10 or any Attack Helicopter.
2)AFAIR Be-200 is not an ASW Aircraft and only can do Maritime Surveillance
3)I think another problem in your Airforce is that there are too many types and maintenance will be ok but commonality and so many types will mess it up.
Yes if we had missiles that could fly very high and outmaneuver aircraft, we’d have downed lots of NATO aircraft, even if they were shorter ranged.
It depends on who gets operationalize its jets. FC-1 with SD-10 should be
better than Gripen with R-Darter.
Go back to PDF….or stick around, don’t comment, read, ask questions and LEARN.
So wait, is K-37M competing with KS-172 or will they be both integrated? Does the K-37M have a chance to hit something like maneuverable targets like fighters like the Phoenix can?
SO is there any chance K-37M would be integrated on RuAF aircraft?