its not so easy, if development takes more time then weapon becomes outdated and customer will change requirements. if customer isn’t happy, its of no use how long you take in development of the weapon or how much you succeeded.
after looking at what happened to Arjun, Akash, Nag etc. JV was said to be the good solution. you cannot have weapons just in lab or test ranges, it has to be accepted by defence forces. thats the best thing about brahmos-its already inducted by Navy and ordered by Army and they are also going in for further development. JV means we share costs, risk and also DRDO gets experience to develop other weapons where in JV option isn’t availaible like the long range cruise missile.
I also believe in the Armed forces buying a percentage of the Indigenously developed weapons as a mandatory rule. Which can help further development.
thats exactly why trusted vendors like russia or france are required. they never backstab India during wartimes or try to block spares.
I am not sure Russia is trustworthy. Soviet Union was but they both are entirley different countries.
As for France their record with us is good, but we only had their aircraft during one war ie. Kargil war which was not a full scale war. Their record with other countires , such as Israel is less remarkable one remember the Mirage episode.
I agree with the above. Now let me take a bath.
The fruits of indigenous design 🙂
The problem is/was india isn’t australia and UK, these are just one of things why India keeps away from US defence equipment from last many decades. it delays our frigates further and this adds more reasons not to buy US arms. the question is why US needs to delay everything for 3 to 4 months, are they willing pay the extra costs incurred by India due the delay.
if in case of Russia, the govt is fine while the companies have problems in delivering projects on time, in case of US, the companies are fine, the Govt is the problem with all the EUMs and these kind of restrictions. ultimately its the Govt which India deals with because all military deals are Govt to Govt for both countries.
Boeing was fine company to cooperate with ADA on LCA Project but their govt restrictions simply wouldn’t allow them to do hence EADS got the opportunity.
The only answer is indigenous equipment. The only country i trust to be our all weather ally in the post Soviet period is Israel and more and more JVs should be signed with them.
Russian problem is not just the companies, the government is also a problem as the Russian economy crumbles they demand more from us. If we want U.S equipment we have to follow the American rules. Many countries do not have a problem, we used to because we were non-allied and all that. I can already see shifts in foriegn policy so much so that the requirements may be changed. This problem with the Shivalik is not India specific, that in itself shows its the normal working of the U.S system.
From an American point of view it may still need time to trust a country which was allied to its principal rival for many years. It is the same from the Indian POV. So one cannot expect it all to go away one morning. It will as years go by and I can see India & United States being premier defense partners.
money spent better where? better than brahmos? can DRDO come out with that. if they could then there would have been no talk about JVs at all.
Yes but it will take more time. If you invest money in R&D better pay for your employees etc. You are bound to get a product. Making things is not magic, it is done by hard research and hard cash, the government should spend more of its GDP on indigenous products and we should offer as good a pay as any foriegn rival.
Otherwise we will always be hostage to the whims of the suppliers. I guess we will only learn it during a war time, India never learns it the easy way.
It is not a Ban Col Shukla used the term to suit his own line of thoughts.
India is not alone in facing this ban; GE has been told to stop work even with close US allies like the UK and Australia.
It is a delay while the new administration assesses the contracts and status of relationships between the U.S and other countries. U.K and Australia also getting the same treatment means it is just routine.
india will not get tomahawk, so no use of day dreaming. we are not debating on which is worlds best cruise missile but if Brahmos can be good our Army.
We may not get one we can try and develop one. The same people who argued that the indigenous nuclear program has taken a few steps back with the Nuclear Deal has not such arguments with regards to projects like the Brahmos. Don’t you think our money is spent better elsewhere?
As far as the news report are concerned, the test was successful. So you might wait for further report before posting BS…
I think you need to know that Brahmos is already in service of the Indian Army and you must watch this video as well…… Show me any other high speed cruise missile with such accuracy…..
The Block-I version was a great success. This is Block-II, they are doing something new and the first country to do so. Do you know how may failure US/Russia do have when developing something new???!!!
How many countries has a missile similar to Brahmos Block -II???
1. DRDO can claim what they want to. The Army is the enduser and knows their operational requirements more than the DRDO. So if the missile do not meet it, then the Army says its a failure i believe the Army over the DRDO who has vested interests.
2. India did not ‘develop’ the Brahmos missile on its own, the Indian components are just the guidance systems, etc. We are sitll dependent on Russia for the missile. We don;t even get full ToT.
3. For a land based Cruise Missile Payload and Range is more important. I would rather have a Tomahawk any day.
Thank Shiv Aroor not me 🙂
So has anyone got a link to some pictures of the keel laying ?
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/03/photos-keel-laying-ceremony-of.html
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/03/photos-last-batch-of-photos-from-cochin.html
I am not very optimistic about the land based Brahmos. My sentiments are almost the same with the likes of Johnsey with regards to that. DRDO is trying to sell its **** to the Army….
Actually a Russian firm is helping with the Aircraft operation and deck. While Fincantieri is helping with propulsion system and design.
Well, if India is going to keep the Sea Harrier operational until ~2020. He11, she mite as well cancel the ex-Gorshkov Deal and just do a short-term lease with the UK for the HMS Invincible……..As the latter would be avialable much quicker and for much less money to boot. Which, would easily hold India over until the first and possibly second IAC……….
Harriers got updated with Elta 2032s and Derby BVRAAMs :).
The scond IAC being 60000+ tons is bull****, because the Cochin Shipyard’s dry dock cannot house a ship that large, it will need a bigger dry dock for that. Unlikely for the time being.
Yeah, like I’ve been watching out Arjun, Tejas, MCA, and the aforementioned 877EKM since… Get real. :p
Even if its a bit delayed i still prefer Indian equipment. And guess what as my country makes economic progress more and more money will be allocated to R&D and manufacturing facilities.
These are our leaning steps, wait till we are on our feet proper :diablo:
Its still pathetic for a country like Russia to be 3 years behind schedule with a refit and counting……
Looks like you’re following a parallel of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. What happened to them again?
Screwed from inside by a wannabe western limo loving daydreamer. Till then it was as good a match for the U.S.A 🙂
In order to counter Chinese Navy, we will need more subs and anti-sub warfare systems, thats where they are concentrating on. Then again China having a larger navy will automatically trigger an arms race, korea and Japan may build up as well, so its unlikely that her resources can be concentrated to one threat.