As opposed to the F-35 fanboys we see here?

They are stating the obvious evolution that a fifth generation stealthy design is superior to the 4++ European ones. The European fanboy claims defies logic.

The PAK-FA I have no doubt will be better than any fourth generation fighter including the Euro canards. I think it will be between the F 35 and F 22 in Air Superiority role. When it comes down in numbers the Europeans will probably buy more F 35s to counter it.

Its highly comical isn’t it, the ultimate in fanboy mentality.

The worst are the European fan boys. Because they do not have a stealth fighter design in the tunnel even (unlike Russia, China, India) they will undermine stealth and big up EW measures big time. 😮

I think the problem here is not that Russia is not capable of building a very capable and stealthy 5th Generation Fighter.The point is to do so considering the lack of funding after the break up of the former Soviet Union. Russia would have to make a commitment on the scale of the Manhattan Project to catch up. Which, from the available sources has not even come close……

Let’s not forget that Russian Military can’t afford to scrap old rusting nuclear submarines, upgrade old aircraft, buy new aircraft, or build any major fleet units. Yet, we are to believe she can match the US great lead in Stealth Technology…………..:confused:

There is a lot of things that are classified that we do not know about. There are different means to catch up, including espionage. I have told you that the American forces do not doubt the Russian ability to match the F 22 with their own design. Neither should you, if a fourth generation fighter is doable so is a fifth gen.

Russians are practical and that was the only reason we didn’t see B2 like stealth Bombers. Because they could operate 10 Bears for the same cost. Also bear in mind that Russians do not necessarily need to spend as much money as Americans do in developing a similar platform. They have never done so in the past and is likely not to do again.

While i believe America will retain an edge because of its superior wealth and defense budget, I expect Russia to make a very competitive fifth gen fighter. But like I said (U.S may already have 6th gens operational by then).

I don’t doubt the F 35 is a good dogfighter, It should be if its like a clean F 16 (which can still give the TVCd flankers a hell of a hard time) but it better be a good dogfighter because I don’t subscribe to the fact that all future engagements are going to be strictly BVR. Even pilots do not expect it to be so.

Sorry, you are the one in need of reality. If, you for a second believe anything except the Raptor is superior to the Lightning in the Air Superority Role. Especially, the Typhoon or Rafale………….not even in the same league.

With all do respect………;)

It even amazes me how people bigs up non stealth designs like the Typhoon and Rafale as better in A2A than the F 35 😡

Navy has its own logistics, the harrier is only operated by the Navy for example. Now with the limited deck size and superior load the F 35B can carry on take off, and the near-auromated vertical landing I think it will be by far the best choice.

It’s common knowledge and noone denies it. Do you really think Russians dont know it or they are keeping mum because they have cash cow to milk? If you are going to come up with this kinda arguement then you should also ask the same Sukhoi cheif why the heck is he and his country selling other stuff to China.

1. What I claimed was backed up with a source.

2. What you claim is pure speculation. Common knowledge for a few many Pakistanis who would like to believe that everything India develops is Russian because they can sleep better believing that.

3. The reasons for Russia selling stuff to China was clearly explained multiple times.

is China also in this top 5?

They are number 1 in that list. Pot Kettle Black !