What’s a proven record? Selex, the chief Euroradar partner, has sold more airborne AESA radars than Thales. Not fighter radars, but it’s still useful experience. And it has an AESA fighter radar on the market.

Still relatively unproven when compared to the tried and trusted American radars like the APG 79 in the Super Hornet. I am sure that’s what he meant.

Yes but when will it be ready ? The Rafale and Gripen are much closer to getting an AESA.

I will stop at this now (as am being out numbered and out argued I would admit). I will feel vindicated in 2 years time when the MRCA is selected and the specs of the selected aircraft and package is known.

If you are not aware of the difference between ECCM and ECM you really should not lecture other people on jargon…

My mistake I got carried away and did not read it correctly, but where have i lectured other people on Jargon ?

India will get a different version of the PAK FA, do you seriously believe that the Russians will sell all of their best stuff? They never really had done this, all export versions of Russian weapons were downgraded.

You are delusional the SU 30 MKI featured a better radar than any Russia had in service then. FGFA will be = > PAK FA in capabilities. Things sold to India are usually = their Russian counterparts.

Also note that the Mirage 2000-9 sold to UAE is better than any Mirage in French service the same with Block 60 F 16s sold to UAE being better than any Viper in U.S service.

That doesn’t mean the radar jams on its own.

I did not claim that, I said it works with the EW suite.

I’m not interested what “users” think and especially not what Scooter thinks.

Since you don’t know that it won’t be sold its his word against urs.

Of course it is part of EW, but EW doesn’t automatically mean EA. Why? Because EA is not available to every EW suite”.

Do you know if it wont be available with export versions for certian if not please stop stating it.

Honestly your ignorance is annoying. I suggest you start to learn a bit about the fundamentals, rather than repeating stuff you read/hear somewhere, but which you don’t comprehend.

I am glad I could be of annoyance:)

READ again suite. As speak so often about F-16.net, read what they say about the EW suite:

The Radar is a part of that suite.

Good luck on that India will have to reject all contenders by that!

MIG/Russia is offering 100% ToT, SAAB the same and parts of sweden.

Says whom?

Rumors mostly in forums, in this one BR etc.

EA = Electronic Attack a part of EW and essentially nothing else than very powerful jamming, which is enabled by an AESA radar for example. The APG-80 DOESN’T FEATURE EA, however. Please try to understand what you consume.

Ok you say EA is part of EW and says its enable by an AESA radar, and then you go on to say APG 80 do not support it, while in that video it says it does.

Don’t the P8A also feature some EW elements other than surveillance ? It was also sold to India.

They apparently did and if you read the aviation news thread. AESA radars have been cleared for export for other customers as well.

Also i remember reading that several congressmen wanted America to have a better AESA radar operational before selling the APG 80, hence they implemented the F 15s AESA radar first and then this.

Well India is by no means a big ally of U.S (not like the NATO folks anyway) and we are being offered the APG 80 and the more capable APG 79. The matter of fact is that the Gulf states which are allied to it are more important to the U.S than its NATO allies in a post cold war scenario, in future India will be just as as important, if it not already is.

As for India not getting it, its already on offer the radars (the source codes (for weapons integration mainly) may or may not be offered) France is offering its AESA with full source codes, and EF is willing to make us a partner. Its a buyers market if you don’t offer what the others do, you will simply lose out. 10-16 billion dollars at a time of economic crisis is not something anyone would pass by.

That the hardware of the APG-80 might be able to support such a capability in theory, doesn’t mean that the software required to perform that kind of task exists and the blk 60s were all delivered between 2005 and 2007.

The APG 80 is only operational in the Block 60s the UAE and the whole suite in that video is for that aicraft. it also mentions about export.

Doesn’t look that stealthy 🙁