Some details of ‘NPP Motor’s’ development & participation in the PAK-FA Stage 2 engine:
В кооперации с предприятиями «Объединенной двигателестроительной корпорации» (ОДК) НПП “Мотор” участвует в создании семейства перспективных двигателей с тягой 9-18 тонн для гражданской авиации и двигателя нового поколения для ПАК ФА II этапа.
НПП “Мотор” участвует в создании научно-технического задела с применением ключевых технологий по следующим направлениям: разработка композитного входного направляющего аппарата и колеса первой ступени компрессора низкого давления с облегченной (полой) рабочей лопаткой на базе технологий диффузионной сварки и линейной сварки трением; разработка одноступенчатой турбины низкого давления с высокой газодинамической эффективностью и удельной мощностью; разработка высокоэффективного малоступенчатого компрессора высокого давления; разработка высокоэффективной форсажной камеры сгорания; разработка высокоэффективной малоступенчатой турбины низкого давления с рабочими лопатками из интерметаллида титана.
In co-operation with the enterprises of the ‘Joint Engine Corporation’ (ODK), NPP ‘Motor’ will develop a family of future engines with thrust ranging from 9 to 18 tons- for both civil aviation and a new generation, 2nd Stage engine for the PAK-FA.
‘NPP Motor’ is a participant in the development of scientific/technical solutions for the application of key technologies in the following areas:
*development of a composite intake guide vane and turbines of the 1st stage low-pressure compressor with lightweight (hollow) fan blades based on diffusion and linear welding technologies.
*development of a single-stage, low-pressure turbine with high gas-dynamic efficiency and power density.
*development of a fewer-staged, highly efficient high-pressure compressor
*development of a highly efficient combustion chamber
*development of a highly efficient, fewer staged, low-pressure turbines composed of fan blades made with composites/alloys of titanium
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Nice view of Pr.855 ‘Yassen’, (pic c/o Gradient):

I the 03/09 issue of ‘Take-Off’ magazine, Yury Belii, Head of Tikhomirov-NIIP, details their upgrade proposals for the IAF’s Su-30MKI:
(abridged) In the 1st stage we envisage increasing the performance characteristics [of the Bars-M] leading to new operating modes- though retaining the present passive array. In the long-term, in the second stage, we plan to replace the antenna of the ‘Bars’ of the Indian Su-30MKI with an active array.
‘Stage 1’ may have involved the installation of a new passive array for ‘Bars’:
http://missiles.ru/_foto/GRPZ-2008/bars.jpg
This stage may have been abandoned, or the new passive array installed on new build MKIs over the last 2 years- without any fanfare.
‘Stage 2’ is probably what the ‘AW’ article above refers to.
Phazotron is virtually bankrupt and may be merged, besides, installing the Zhuk-AE on the MKI wouldn’t be an upgrade but a downgrade :D.
I’d be absolutely staggered if Phazotron’s Zhuk-AE is slated for the MKI upgrade- has to be reporting error.
Tikhomirov-NIIP is the traditional (afaIk monopoly) supplier to Sukhoi/Irkut, besides, their AESA is more advanced. If the RMAF rated the Bars-M as comparable to the APG-79, Zhuk-AE is not even close!
As Tikhomirov’s flight trials are imminent it should be ready for the MKI upgrade time-frame and also give them economies of scale for the PAK-FA.
Zhuk-AE for the MiG-29K?- most probably, for the Su-30MKI?- I highly doubt it!
IIrc, FGFA will be based on T-50, with second seat; enlarged wings (to compensate for loss of fuel from 2nd seat); slightly enlarged tail control surfaces; customised avionics & weapons etc. Obviously, not such a relatively straight-forward conversion like the Su-27 to 27UB.
Interestingly, it’ll likely be the only 2-seater 5G fighter on the market.
Don’t be surprised to see Indian expertise (in whatever form) finding its way onto Russian PAK-FAs.
RuAF/MoD will purchase 10 aircraft for state trials between 2013-15, and then place an order for 60 in 2016 (first batch).
The guy in charge of the stage 2 engine @ ‘Salyut’ has already stated that 5G components will be tested on their AL-31FM-3 from 2012. Undoubtedly, Indian money will make a huge difference.
Regarding the adequacy of the 117. Obviously the weight gained by the production PAK-FA (RAM coatings, avionics, launch mechanisms etc.) will be significant compared to the T-50-1. This will have to be compensated by the new higher-thrust/efficient & lighter (non-metallic, composite components) definitive 5G engine. I think the RuAF/MoD stipulation is between 16-16.5T.
I’d expect the IAF’s 2-seater to enter service with the definitive engine as it will be larger & heavier. When Indians get really excited about something, they seldom keep quiet about it, so expect a flood of details in the new year.
«Каких-то технических сложностей в создании двигателя пятого поколения мы не видим, — сказал Федоров, — это вопрос сроков и денег».
“We do not forsee any technical difficulties in establishing the fifth generation engine…it’s a question of time & money.“- Ilya Fyodorov MD, MMPP Salyut.
Another launch from ‘Dmitry Donskoy’, is scheduled for this month, then ‘YD’ enters the test programme. I guess 2/13 successful launches means at least the engineering concept is sound, but wouldn’t it have to have ~90% success rate to be deployed as a credible and reliable system? I can’t see a IOC next year anyhow.
The launch tubes are apparently canted, is that ‘V’ shaped or forwards?
but your picture does show the compressor face is behind the wheel bulge, and when you compare it with the side view pictures, it is obvious that the compressor face and where you placed the bendy arrows are the same location. meaning its not in front of the red box. don’t let visual perspectives fool you Joker.
Sure it is:
…but most important is that I don’t let you fool me, Chengdu.
Anyways, back in the real World:
so what makes you think that green arrow is where the red box is supposed to be?
Ermmm…the little bendy red arrows kinda give it away :rolleyes:


13th test-launch of ‘Bulava’ from ‘Dimirtriy Donskoy’ declared a success today, with all MIRVS hitting their targets.
I already did exec:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1647714&postcount=981
Man is born of free will. You believe in the ‘elongated banana engine’, and I believe in the ‘banana duct’. End of.
Hotdog, in no way is the PAK-FA superior to the J-7, ok? Can I go now? Thanks.
Are you sure about that Quadro? Because on the Feb.12th flight video, the refueling hose is decoupled from behind the nosewheel.
Hotdog, in the (now infamous) picture below, which appears closer? The ‘Red Box’ or the [phantom] comp.face?
I’ll give you a clue- where does the red box go?

Answer (no sneaky peeky!):
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1647678&postcount=977


This deal is huge, the numbers are astronomical, much bigger than I anticipated- probably explains the several delays in negotiation this year (I believe the up-front Indian payment is $6bn).
Evidently the two nations are forging a strategic alliance and the Russians are way ahead in the race to be India’s best friend, Jai Hind!! 😎
…oh I forgot to add exec’s smug one-liners to that list.
Regarding perspectives exec, you’ll note on the photograph of the engine’s LP turbine ‘cone’, that judging by the port vertical stabiliser, the camera is practically in-line with the engine, ok?
Try to be gracious in defeat, exec, as I was (albeit erroneously).