OtakuThe next Russian carrier will be better than the CVN-78.
The next Russian HALE UAV will be better than the GlobalHawk.
The next Russian UCAV will be better than X-45/47…
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No, now you’re being silly:
for the CVN-78, the Russians have the ‘Sizzler’
A MiG-21 will suffice for the GlobalHawk
& for X-45/47 there’s the S-400
You’re confusing measure and counter-measure with like for like.
OtakuBut hey, those metal-bashers are still quite skilled…
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OtakuSimplicity itself. Just point out where I was factually incorrect. Or are you the type that likes to make claims but then disappears when called on to back them?
OK I’ll give it a go.
Firstly, I don’t dispute that the F-22 is a truly magnificent, benchmark-setting warplane & it’s budget stablemate -the F-35, isn’t far behind.
Now let’s assume that Congress blocks the export of the F-22 to Japan (a country with a high-tech but nonetheless immature aviation industry), and their signals of producing an indigenous stealth fighter are not hokum.
Do you expect them to come in at the level of ‘Have Blue’?
Or take China (the reason why the Japanese want an F-22 type), they’re busily working on possibly 2 5th Gen. aircraft. They managed to emulate the F-35’s DSI intakes (albeit with MiG’s help) on the JF-17- which is ready today, even though a decade ago they had trouble putting together an Su-27
So do you expect China’s heavyweight stealth to come in at the level of ‘Have Blue’?
Clearly, the answer to the above questions is No, of course not!!
Then why is it that you’re adamant that Sukhoi/Russia (with proven pedigree in fighter design & vast technical resources) are going to produce a turkey?
OtakuProbably Sukhoi has the potential the get the airframe right (maths is still good in Russia, metalworks ditto – for a couple of more years). KnAAPO’s performance on the Superjet 100 (ex RRJ) is not that bad. But the subsystems and especially electronics are 20 years behind the U.S. There is no way PAK-FA will come close in mission capability to the F-22 or F-35.
You’re absolutely right, I look forward to the stainless steel, metal-bashed PAK-FA, with it’s valve-tech (highly ECM resistant) electronics & cassegrain dish.
Doh!! those imbeciles clearly haven’t heard of COTS/dual-use, maybe they can cannibalise the Superjet100!! Quick, there’s still time, they’ve only just taken their mallets to metal- get yourself over to KnAAPO and tell them before Ivanov warms-up the firing squad.
OtakuMaybe you could do me a favor and point out where I’ve been wrong?
As Napoleon once said, “…when your adversary is about to make a mistake- best not correct him.”
Besides, with your mindset, I wouldn’t even know where to start.
OtakuI’m predicting that around 2010-2011 we’ll hear Russia make a face-saving comment along the lines of “we decided to focus on performance and low-cost because stealth isn’t everything” like it’s impossible to have performance AND stealth. As for what they’re saying now what else would you expect them to say?
If that was true then the RuAF would have selected a variant of the 1.44 or even a conventional-winged S-37 for service.
Even the most widely respected (Western) professional aerospace analysts & journalists acknowledge the tangible existence of the PAK-FA, not to mention the Indian Ministry of Defence.
But then again if your arguments on RAM & TVC are anything to go by, your ‘expertise’ is laid bare. Keep it up!
OtakuTry and find where I said I was Russian, dear Sir.
As for grooming you, you’ll be advised that this verb has a lot of alternative meanings, especially in transitive sentences 😀
Oooh Spooky!!
Pit, what do you mean by ‘pulse’?, Ramjet? I thought the Ramjet R-77 was the priority AAM programme, a la ‘Meteor’.
Afaik, Tikhomirov-NIIP is developing the AESA for PAK-FA.
I understand it will be based on the (Su-35BM’s) ‘Irbis’, but with an active GaAs array.
As for GaN (the Holy Grail), I don’t believe anybody’s in a hurry to deploy them as the technologies are still relatively immature. Anyways, by the time PAK-FA enters LRIP by 2012/13, I’m sure GaN will be an option (assuming necessity/ funding).
Having said that, I don’t believe there’s any GaN fabrication capacity (currently) in Russia- but maybe soon, in the repopulated Far East.
OtakuCongratulations :diablo:
Besides, I consider it a funny effect of all our media-driven Russia-bashing that the only person who could conceivably say something positive about Russia must be a Russian him-/herself… Funny innit? Check my IP Otaku, and then we’ll laugh about my “patriotism” together…
OMG!! You’re a fantasist too! Are you trying to groom me?
OtakuYou’re the first person in my life who was able to formulate such a thought about me…:D
Unga Munga!! I like being 1st.
OtakuUnfortunately, I’m not 😉
MiG’s proposal was dead meat from the beginning on – political decisions have already been taken.
So Fyodorov is a liar?
He didn’t have to – the dice was not rolling anymore.
Oh yeah, that’s why Pogosyan nearly burst a blood vessel- screaching that there was no Russian engine manufacturer that could produce a suitable engine for a lightweight fighter- after Klimov JSC started design studies.
I’m well aware of S-37 in-house funding & various Su-27/30 developments.
But where did that money come from?- from Chinese & Indian Su-27/30 orders, not from the Russian govt. So thank Beijing & New Delhi for saving Sukhoi’s bacon.
So what? does that mean that the F-35 is comparable to the Mig-35? 😀 You can’t make a point about A by comparing it with C compared to B. That’s called formal logic. As for your question:
– better and more versatile sensors
– commonality with other InAF types re training, doctrine etc (think about the navalised MiG-29 they will get)
– similar payload
– better versatility
Enough?
No, logically it means India would be wise to buy the SH- a worthy complement to the F-35, as opposed to the MiG-35- which is an inferrior contemporary to the SH.
You’re surely not implying the Zhuk-AE is anywhere near to capability or operational status of the APG-79 (3rd Gen.AESA).
There’s nothing wrong with being a patriot, just try not to be a fanatic.
OtakuThey want it indeed, but they won’t get it (unfortunately, IMHO), because India insisted on larger participation at the design stage, and Russia refused. On the other hand, India is not really interested to invest into a programme that is almost finalized.
No, you’re mistaken. Yes, India wanted Sukhoi to scrap PAK-FA, and start a G5 project with them as equal partners, from inception. Sukhoi, rightly refused, and the two parted company (circa.Nov.’05). This had Fyodorov’s MiG jumping for joy, as they saw potential for a lightweight 1.44 (LMFS) as a joint venture that may even (ultimately) interest the RuAF- with minimal funding, as a complement for PAK-FA.
This got M. Pogosyan really worried and he started to turn the political screws. In August 2006 Sukhoi were (again) in New Delhi to renegotiate Indian involvement in PAK-FA, and more recently in June ’07.
At Le Bourget ’07 MiG acknowledged LMFS was dead, so what does that tell you?
-Sukhoi and India are close to finalising agreement
-this agreement (which appears imminent) will feature Indian involvement at all levels of EMD, which will do the Indians nicely.
-Indian joint-development & production of an ‘export variant’ will ensure the PAK-FA will appear in the time frame to go head-to-head with the F-35 on the export market, and not just the niche market of current Su-30/35 operators.
-as for Russia being awash with money, you clearly underestimate the cost of such a programme.
Oh, how do you figure MiG-35 to be as good as the Super-Hornet? when the US Navy is pondering winding down it’s F-35 order- as it considers the SH as a worthy complement.
OtakuWell, actually the article doesn’t say “will be”, it says “might”.
Forgive me, I don’t know how to paste from ‘Flightglobal’, so I will quote directly:
“…but there are opportunities to participate in export versions such as variant
to be developed jointly by India and Russia”.
Excuse my English, as I’ve only been learning the language for two years, but I didn’t spot the word “might” in that sentence. I’m not taking the article as gospel, but that would make it a journalistic/reporting error- not mine.
Dream on! 😀 Seriously, it could act as a subcontractor for some elements, no doubt – starting in 2030…
India wants significant participation in the PAK-FA programme (and offset agreements for large military purchases are subject to statute). Opening production line(s) in India for the export variant- fully customised (mainly avionics suites) as requested- would be a pretty smart move- in return for India’s $billions invested.
Everybody wins, the Russians get the money, the Indians get the technical know-how and future export customers get Israeli/ French/ British/ Swedish/ German avionics. Economically, it makes sense, maybe they’ve stolen a march on Lockheed- who refuse to open foreign production assemblies for the F-35.
MiG’s all but lost the MMRCA tender due to the INS Vikramaditya scandal (with the IAF hopefully opting for the qualitatively superior Super Hornet).
Now it seems the Russian govt. has intervened to assure India that the carrier will be delivered on-time as “it’s far too important a project for the countries future relations”. Hmmm…interesting comments coming at a time when Lockheed is trying to tempt India with the F-35.
So how do these pieces all fit together?
-If India buys the Super-Hornet, still thumbs-up for PAK-FA funding.
-If India buys the F-16I with price options on the follow-on F-35, no Indian PAK-FA funding, hence maybe no Russian PAK-FA.
A high-level Indian Defence delegation is due to visit Moscow at the end of August, so watch this space…and think carefully before deriding the Indians as mere ‘sub-contractors’, Savy?
OtakuInteresting preview articles on MAKS’07:
A curious twist to the PAK-FA tale, that India & Russia will be co-developing the ‘export variant’ and foreign investors may be sought.
So Russian and foreign (including Indian PAK-FAs) will differ markedly?
Maybe India will exclusively manufacture the ‘export variant’?
Either way, bodes well for at least configurational sneak peeks at MAKC.
OtakuLike I said, it’s all about the engine…
As for rebranding the Su-35- either that’s tongue-in-cheek, or AW’s credibility diminishes by the day.
OtakuFor Levsha (and anyone who’s interested in Raptor costs- page 6 onwards):
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL31673.pdf
Oh, what do you mean by discounted Su-30s? The 2nd hand/ trade-in ‘Ks’ from India sold-on to Belarus or possibly Venezuela?
You clearly haven’t heard of the intricate cost escalation clauses of the MKIs then?
‘Cause I can assure you, new-build Su-30s are neither discounted nor cheap!
at close to $40 million each- 2005 prices.
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