My vote is for a squid
Here we go again
This forum doesn’t like attempts at sarcasm, it won’t let me put in silly tags because it looks too much like html.
.50s and larger rounds have a habit of parting company with their cartridge in crashes, I’ve found quite a few where it was just an unfired case. Also if there was a fire they would have cooked off and the cases were quite strong so tended to blow out the bullet and the primer, again leaving the case.
To me it looks like the salvage team used the propeller shafts as lifting points, when we were on the Time Team A-26 recovery 9 years ago one of the engines had to be lifted by a prop and we were all standing round taking bets on whether or not the prop would slide off the shaft and we’d be sending someone back into the hole to dig the engine out, fortunately it didn’t happen then. However it looks there was not enough structure left in the reduction gearing in this case to prevent the engine and prop parting company and then engine and airframe. Still, they’ll be back down for those and maybe it’s best they came off under water as the damage was probably less than if they’d come away as it broke the surface.
I guess in a couple of years we’ll all be able to see how much of what we can see from today is sealife formed around former aeroplane and how much is actual aeroplane still. Having met the guys at MBCC I have to say they’ll give it a really good go and best of luck to them.
Now that’s cleared up, off to North East Africa anyone?
There is an A.I.(K) report but there is no information about aircraft markings on it.
However there was a later report bringing together details from all of the aircraft which crashed that night, it does give some information but not about this aircraft. The aircraft carrying 3E+MN which was from a different staffel had the M painted red.
It’s a little harder to identify an aircraft if you don’t give any indication as to where this was found. Other that that, yes Wellington, if the piece of boot is associated with it then it would rule out the later Warwick.
Before you or your friend go and start pulling more bits off the beach I ought to point you to here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/licensing-of-aviation-archaeology
Oh, you’ll get something Dornier, might fill a child’s bucket, but it’ll be Dornier.
On a lighter note, do you think this might work for recovery?
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GPA Atlas is now to the NW of Margate, looking at its history on ShipAIS it was towed very close to the Do17 but is going to Chatham, that or its an elaborate plan to burn diesel by going up and down the Kent coast.
There isn’t any mention in the 55 OTU ORB, two Hurricane related entries from that day but no casualty action regarding another aircraft, but given the burial location it is fairly obvious that they were the unit which took casualty action.
I’ve read that B-24 41-23728 “Hot Stuff” of the 93rd BG was probably the first to reach its 25th (7th Feb 43) but had an unfortunate coming together with an Icelandic mountain on the transit flight back to the US with only the tail gunner surviving, not really the home coming of the first crew that the US media would have wanted to print.
The ‘late’ death registration will have been because of a delay before an inquest. If an inquest is held then a death certificate cannot be issued until proceedings have finished.
There are at least a couple of others missing from the BAPC list, the MoSI in Manchester have a sectioned Hercules, not sure which Mk. I think it is a later version.
Wellington Mk.X LP665 of No.105 (T)OTU at Edges Green, Haltwhistle, Northumberland, 28th October 1944. The crash site was excavated by the North East Aircraft Museum during 1980.
There were only three crew as this was not a bomber OTU but was transport, they were:
Flight Lieutenant Jeol Frederick Dean, RAFVR, 111527, Age 31, Pilot, Killed
Warrant Officer Henry John Davis, RAF, 580766, Age 26, Navigator, Killed
Pilot Officer Walter Braithwaite Smith, RAF, 55928, Age 28, Wireless Operator, Killed
To me it doesn’t say SS it says 1944, just an odd way of writing 4.
Dr Strangelove, I don’t know how much you found about LAC Alderman. I’ve not found much. He entered service after March 1950 as a National Service entrant at Padgate, AIR 78 records him as Clarence John Alderman, though I can’t find a record of a birth in England, Wales, Scotland or the Isle of Man from 1925 to 1935 which come close to matching.