RE: Re-enactors, Actors and medals
Hi Keith Mac,
I entirely agree with you.
There is a very good reason why I posted this message originally, I will sit tight & see what else develops before I reveal my reason for the original post.
Thanks to everyone for coming in on this subject.
Halibag
RE: Tracing a pilot
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 13-12-01 AT 00:23Â AM (GMT)]Hi Keith Mac,
Does “Air Mail” have a website? Or perhaps you might know if it would be worth sending PMA Innsworth a letter asking them to forward it… Would you think that was a viable option?
This is me with one of my other heads on tonight 🙂
TTFN
Halibag
RE: Picture 09/12/01(for Lancman)
I’m not such an ogre y’know… I actually DO like these things, proof is in the pudding, check the link:
http://www.airshow.co.uk/photographs/old_dress.html
I’m in there somewhere… We also got inside & played with her ‘bits’ However, irrespective of what anyone has to say, the Stirling & Hally HAVE pretty much been forgotten about, which is why I burble on about Hally’s 🙂
Halibag
RE: Picture of the day 10/12/01
Pig! 🙂
Halibag
(Actually, I really DO like Lanc’s, just won’t say so in public.)
RE: Pics from latest recovery
Hi Elliot,
Pity you missed the Hally.
I’m sure Ian at 57 RESCUE would LOVE an update & possibly pictures if you got any of the Hally.
TTFN
Halibag
RE: Picture 09/12/01(for Lancman)
🙂
Hey, Lancman, can you remind everyone on the forum, just exactly how many Horsa or Hamilcar’s DID the Lanc tow to Arnhem?
LOL 🙂
Halibag
RE: Re-enactors, Actors and medals
To Kieth Mac,
I fully understand your sentiments regarding the wearing of uniforms/medals, however, you state you would feel very angry if someone was wearing medals they were not entitled to, does this cover the topic we are currently discussing, i.e. Actors & Re-enactors? For as I mentioned previously, I too would be annoyed to see someone wearing a medal they were not entitled to, out of context. i.e. walking down the street whilst doing the shopping.
Halibag.
RE: Re-enactors, Actors and medals
Well, it seems I have struck a chord here, and about time too.
Just for the record, I never have & never will show any disrespect to veterans, rank, insignia or uniforms. OK, that’s out of the way.
I too am an ex serviceman of the 1980’s, and so, there is absolutely no way I could have even been thought about in the 1940’s. Whilst serving, it was also drummed into us “Don’t wear uniform in ‘Civvy Street’.” For obvious security reasons.
I equally agree that there is nothing better than having a re-enactor taking on the role of an airman (or soldier) at an airshow, to answer questions put to them by the bystanders, be them veterans or youngsters, so long as his outward appearance is authentic (and passes the 3ft test).
The group I am associated with, ensures that each of it’s members who take on a particular role actually get to know all about the intricacies of that role, for example our Navigator is fully conversant with a Navigators duties, same with our gunners, wireless operator & so on.
We have formed a crew, each member of our crew wears a rank which is appropriate to his outward appearance, this is simply for authenticity. After all, it is no good having a sixteen year old portraying an Air Vice Marshal & equally it would be pretty unauthentic having someone aged 55 portraying an AC2. Most of our group have some military background, be it armed forces or one of the Cadet organisations, so drill and discipline are not an issue. Hair & jewelery are always checked for accuracy, and so are the uniforms.
Our “Skipper” wears the rank of Squadron Leader. He does this for a number of reasons: He also runs the group, organises everything, is responsible for “hiring & firing” of members, he is easy to direct to, and finally judging by his outward appearance, he more than likely WOULD have been a Squadron Leader at that time. Now then, here’s the crux of the matter… Also on the “Skipper’s” uniforms, both battle dress & service dress, he sport’s a DFC ribbon! Again, his reason for wearing the ribbon is simply that on the ballance of probabilities alone, by his age, rank & experience, he probably would indeed have been awarded a DFC. This is in no way a matter of disrespect, nor is it a snub to the many many aircrew who did not recieve an award for bravery, but it is purely a part of the overall role he portrays. Our “Skipper” is on his second tour with Bomber Command & everyone concerned with our group agrees that this is truly an authentic portrayal. The Skipper incidentally is the only one who is wearing a ribbon.
Our crew has been seen & spoken to by a number of high ranking currently serving RAF officers & dignitaries, all who thought our portrayal was genuine, the same can be said by the many veterans who meet our group, they all think our portrayal is authentic.
There are never any REAL medals worn, we have no requirement for that, and would have to refuse anyone’s request to do so, there is just the one DFC ribbon.
We only wear the uniforms at organised events such as air shows and re-enactment weekends, so, the question is again… “Are we offending anyone, if so, why, and is there any legislation around to cover this subject?”
All your comments to date have been super, please keep them coming in & I will do my utmost to come back with answers.
Halibag
RE: Picture of the day 10/12/01
It’s NOT a Lancaster, and so, I will say “Cooo, pretty!”
Halibag 🙂
RE: Pics from latest recovery
Hi Elliot,
Did you get to the nearby Hally site whilst out in the oggin?
Halibag
RE: Picture 09/12/01(for Lancman)
I can just hear this thing rattling as it staggered past 🙂
It’s certainly NOT a Halifax, that’s for sure!
Halibag
RE: Pilot’s handwheel
Hi,
Sadly we do not have drawings for this, however, if you email our HQ at:- ian@57rescue.org I think we might be able to put you in touch with a few poeple who might have drawings available.
Trigga
RE: On the telly the other night…
Hi guys (& gals?)
Must agree that B of B has been pretty good to date, must watch the remainder as they appear!
Anyone know when “Night & Day” is due for screening? (Heard it has been re-named though?)
Also got a whisper that there are plans to make a similar “Bomber Command” movie / TV series. Anyone want some extra’s??!
PS – I agree, the Mossie has been forgotten about, but then again, so has the Whitley, Defiant, Hampden etc etc, and as I AM very much a Halifax supporter, I am only really inclined to sound off about Hally’s with an occasional thought for the Stirling. Sorry if the lack of a Mossie mention offended 🙂
RE: Anything done to the Hallibag W1048 in Hendon…???
Hi guys,
Some very interesting and valid points here.
My own views are that it would be very fitting inded to see W1048 back on her “feet” again, restored to as near as possible the way she looked when she left the UK under her own steam for the last time. Not pristine brand new just off the production line, but looking slightly weathered, with a few paint chips etc. Also with her interior bits re-fitted in the right places.
NA337 in Canada is being put back together with painstaking attention to detail by a bunch of dedicated volunteers, costing the taxpayers nothing. I cannot see why W1048 cannot be afforded the same privilage!
As for her missing bits, I am given to believe that these are secreted in one of the many stores the RAF museum have access to.
As for looking at photo’s of PN323 etc, you might like to take a look at the gallery showing the recovery etc of W1048 at 57 RESCUE’s website at http://www.57rescue.org Some pretty interesting and rare photo’s there.