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  • edisonone
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    Well I’m glad we have it sorted out.

    Anyway, after years of speculations and precieved US equipmnent
    superiority; we have the the test results which show oherwise.
    As an aviation enthusiast and as some who got up close and personal with the US Jets i think the topic deserves it’s own forum not only a separate
    thread. 😀

    No! I don’t think a different forum needs to be established…

    However, this much I agree: It’s high time for all those who had been overly confident
    of themselves and/or of their wares to start reassessing the machines of others and to come to terms
    with the facts that other people’s wares may not altogether be as inferior as is painted.

    😀

    edisonone
    Participant

    This is actually a Tu-16 Badger not Tu-95 Bear.I am not sure about the version letter but it is anti shipping as seen from the big radar below the nose.Are you sure that the picture is new cause i have seen it,or this aircraft version,few years ago too!

    Badger:

    Thanks for the correction. Source (from China.com)
    however claims that this is a new variety. Can’t tell the difference
    myself either. All Tu-16/H-6s look kinda similar to me.

    edisonone
    Participant

    Whats irritating is there are 5-6
    Indian threads, some even onb teh same subject, such is the thirst
    for self congratulations some have…..

    😎

    Hey people! Give the IAF some slack will ya!!!

    I mean you guys have been having all the fun here thus far so how’s
    about letting India catch a bit of that well deserved glimmer
    if just for this once. After all,
    they were the ones credited with outwitting the mighty USAF. No???

    Additionally, what diff does it make whether or not there is
    another thread similer
    to this one. Is it a crime to try and start one of your own??? My position:
    He have the right to post any subject he wants, doesn’t he???

    So why the fuss??? Let him be people. He’s not hurting anyone…

    😮

    edisonone
    Participant

    Here he goes again, our dear friend Richard Fisher:

    Possible Russian Assistance for the Chengdu J-10A 5th Generation Fighter

    Mikoyan Article 1.44

    Status: A broad similarity between the J-10A and the MiG 1.44 may indicate Chengdu-Mikoyan cooperation on a 5th generation fighter program, performance specifications for MiG 1.44:

    Length: 22.8m Wingspan: 17m

    Weight: 35,000kg max takeoff

    Engine: Saturn AL-41F, 40,000lb thrust with afterburner, thrust vectoring; or new indigenous engine

    Performance: SPEED: 918kt supercruise; RANGE: 4,500km

    Armament: New IR and Active radar guided AAMs, PGMs, internal carriage

    Systems: RADAR: Advanced active phased array, integrated electroptical and ELINT systems; Possible plasma-stealth system; helmet display; glass cockpit; fly-by-wire

    Information from Chinese brochures, a popular Chinese technical magazine, and published interviews with Chengdu officials suggests that Chengdu is developing a candidate for the PLA’s 5th generation fighter, called the J-10A. It is possible that Chengdu’s program may be less developed than that of Shenyang’s, but its willingness to allow concept illustrations to be made public is consistent with previous Chengdu “marketing.” But it could also mean this program is vying for PLA funding. Information released thus far suggests that Chengdu’s design will be a single or twin-engined, twin-tailed canard with thrust vectoring and stealth features. It draws from the J-10, but also exhibits similarities to Mikoyan’s 1.44 5th generation technology demonstrator, especially in the forward fuselage, canard, wing and large dimensions. While there is no current reporting to confirm cooperation by Chengdu and Mikoyan, at about the time the Article 1.44 was unveiled in 1999, the PRC was reported in the Russian press to be offering to fund the MiG’s new fighter in exchange for sales of future sales or co-production in the PRC. Nevertheless, Chengdu’s recent revelations suggest that such cooperation did proceed eventually. Inasmuch as Sukhoi’s proposal for Russia’s 5th generation fighter has been chosen by the Russian government, it would also make sense that MiG would sell its competing design to recoup its investment.

    Should the J-10A turn out to be based on the Mikoyan 1.44 project, then it would appear to be offering a larger and possibly more powerful contender than Shenyang’s proposal for a 5th generation fighter. Chengdu’s fighter would likely be larger than the Lockheed Martin F/A-22 and possibly have a longer unrefueled range. The MiG 1.42 uses two powerful Saturn AL-41 engines (about 40,000lbs thrust with afterburner) which allow the fighter to “supercruise,” or fly at about Mach 1.4 to 1.6 while not using fuel-guzzling afterburners. Its canard configuration and large delta wing, plus expected engine thrust-vectoring will confer “supermaneuverability.” Chengdu’s design, like the 1.44, will also feature internal weapons carriage and a new powerful phased array radar. The F/A-22 shares most of these design features. But in contrast to the F/A-22, the MiG 1.44 was reported to have employed Russia’s plasma-stealth system, which surrounds the aircraft with ionic gas that is impervious radar. Its real beauty is that it allows avoidance of extensive stealth shaping of the airframe which may inhibit maneuverability. The PLA’s penchant for redundancy may result in eventual success for Chengdu’s program, especially if the largely domestic technology driven Shenyang program meets with delays. While such an outcome would not bode well for the PLA’s domestic aerospace technology progress, one can’t ignore the quite considerable effort begin devoted to the PLA’s next-generation combat aircraft.

    – from http://www.uscc.gov/researchreports/2004/04fisher_report/7airforcesystems.htm

    I guess Crobato is right: the Chinese need a back-up for everything they make.

    Hell… Let them talk to themselves all they like.
    They’ll never admit that “the world” is finally catching up to
    them on the air supremacy and tech game anyhow.

    Another one they’ll likely try and explain away soon:
    http://www.china.org.cn/english/2004/Jun/99224.htm
    Clinton’ll probably be the scapgoat on this one instead of MIT :D…

    :rolleyes:

    edisonone
    Participant

    Another Indian AF thread……………

    Whats the next one gonna be

    “IAF pilot in toilet visit shock!”!?

    From the pages of CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/06/23/airforce.supremacy.reut/index.html
    therefore, they aren’t kiddin’.

    Americans are not known for admiting to faults and/or
    to their short comings unless the oppostion (Kerry people) exerts political pressure upon
    them. Therefore, more than meets the eye, this report.

    My opinion only of course.

    edisonone
    Participant

    :rolleyes:

    First, never, never underestimate the resourcefullness of other peoples.

    Secondly, it’s hard to imagine that
    Numero Uno would assert and/or even admit that
    Sukhoi and MiG are as good if not better.

    Therefore, it’s highly possible that modesty may have played a role here.

    😎

    edisonone
    Participant

    😡

    Man… There we go again!!!
    As it seems, the same old same old espionage thingy
    is happening all over once again!

    I mean Golly, don’t they
    ever get tired of the same BS over and over, and again
    and again, endlessly 😡 ?!!!!!!!

    Heck! I bet both Pakistan’s and India’s arsenalds are just as deadly if not more so
    than those of the Chinese because of the direct foreign involvements the two got from the western
    as well as northern sources
    as part of “those country’s China-containment policies” .

    Look at it this way: I’m sure Pakistan’s and India’s art of refine nuke making didn’t just
    simply come from out of thin air!!! So! Why don’t they target the Pakistanis and/or the Indians as well???
    Why is it that, irregardless of rain or shine, that the Chinese are always the prime target???

    Strange! Strange people indeed, the world from which this writter and publisher cometh!!!

    🙁

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2684329
    edisonone
    Participant

    From The People’s Daily (China) 22 June

    China denies reports of fighter jet sales to Zimbabwe

    Chinese ambassador to South Africa denied reports of fighter jet sales to Zimbabwe in a press briefing held Monday in Pretoria. While answering a question posed by local media, Ambassador Liu Guijin said it is totally groundless for the report that Zimbabwe has made order to buy 240 million US dollars worth of Chinese made fighter jets. Liu Guijin said that he had immediately contacted with Chinese ambassador to Zimbabwe on the issue shortly after he had read the report. “We find that the report is not true and it is baseless,” he said. The Chinese ambassador said that the Chinese government already consulted the matter with the Zimbabwean government. South African Deputy Foreign Minister Deputy Foreign Minister Aziz Pahad also said that he was not aware of the claim made by the report. Local reports quoted military sources in Harare as saying that Zimbabwe will acquire 12 Chinese made FC-1s as replacements for the Chengdu F-7s, currently based in Gweru. The FC-1 would provide a credible answer to the challenge posed by the 28 JAS-39 Gripen multi-role fighters that the South African government has ordered from Saab, the Swedish arms manufacturer.

    :rolleyes:

    My understanding into how
    things work in China and/or how, in general, the mind of
    the average Chinese works
    :

    Chinese, no matter if they are red or if white & blue, have this tendency or
    this weakness of bowing out to (or caving in to political pressure) of foreign governments
    (or entities)
    which have politcal pulls in the international community. And, of all African nations, South Africa is
    on the top of this list. Hence, the tone change from the Beijing people, my opinion.

    Reason for the above:

    The inherent Chinese business-practice, or rule of thumb which says that “the more
    dependable the prospect
    , the better the treatments” is trully the thing that drives it. South Africa as a future
    and/or as a “potential trading partner” far outweights that which Zimbabwe can ever be.

    It’s all lip services!!!

    :rolleyes:

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2686301
    edisonone
    Participant

    For whatever it’s worth, here’s the English version:

    🙁

    Linkage taken from the PakDefense site:

    Now, why don’t they just come right out and say it as it is instead of beating
    around the bushes about the real reason as to why they are concerned? Truth: That it’s not as
    rusty bucket or as MiG-21ish as some would like to believe that it is. Otherwise, why make such a big deal
    about it. After all, it’s no diff from how it is that Taiwan get armed to the teeth

    Sunday Times Foreign Desk

    http://www.suntimes.co.za/2004/06/13/news/news02.asp

    ZIMBABWE’S order for more than 240-million worth of jet fighters
    from China flies in the face of a request by South African Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana
    Dlamini-Zuma that the country stop selling arms
    in sub-Saharan Africa.

    I mean the double standards simply just amazes me!!!

    :confused:

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2686907
    edisonone
    Participant

    😮

    For those who savvy Chinese, can you please do the honors:

    http://bbs.china.com/military/html/board_57_post/569415/2279674.html#2279674

    Reason: I do not wish to appear
    as if I am boasting. I am but merely trying to
    pass along the rumors I come across.

    😮

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2688657
    edisonone
    Participant

    ignore SD-10, it’s pointless to argue with him

    😮

    Just for the fun of it:

    Although it’s not my call here, however, what troubles me is the
    question as to why would you say that??? Are you implying here that while there’s no point
    in arguing with SD-10 that there is good cause to argue with you???

    How typically self-rightious and typically self-complimentary some of us are!!!

    :confused:

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2689682
    edisonone
    Participant

    And there will be a double seater….

    😮

    Double seater??? Well…
    for the FC-1, that’s probably a ways off yet. 2-3 years
    at the earliest my opinion…

    But, here’s a good looking double seater anyhow!!!

    http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/44880409560.jpg

     http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2004/04/17/040417jh75.jpg

    Cool, from these vantage, isn’t it? Wish they were the one’s that did those
    sorties a day or two ago instead of the old timer F-7s!!! This one will definitely fill the void
    which’ll be left vacant when the Fantans goes into retirement that’s for sure.

    Something different still…
    http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-13/1087100096Z-9G09.jpg
    Either this chopper is
    going all the way down or this pilot is
    showing off his stuff.

    :rolleyes:

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2691100
    edisonone
    Participant

    Isn’t it less than 12 months since the first FC-1 flew?

    If six of the jets that Zimbabwe have ordered really are ready for delivery “next week”, I think you can rule out them being FC-1. It’s not a question of production time but just “writing the manual” on how to fly and maintain the thing in service!

    As the Zimbabwe AF F-7IIN aircraft are almost 20 years old now, isn’t it far more likely that any new deliveries will be of F-7MG jets?

    Best regards

    Steve Rush ~ Touchdown-News

    A bit of humor but also the truth:

    Have you read a manual written up by Chinese manufacturers on products they
    marketed here (North America anyhow) lately??? It takes a genius to try and figure those
    instructions. Therefore, I wouldn’t count on those operational manuals if I were you.

    Example: I finally figure how to operate my CD player — through trial and error however!!!

    .

    in reply to: First real foreign order of FC-1 #2691252
    edisonone
    Participant

    However, sundaytimes report (second one) is clearer and seems more credible.

    :confused:

    The following applies here also:
    http://forum.airforces.info/showpost.php?p=382930&postcount=16
    Logic says “NO” but truth sometimes defies reality…

    :confused:

    Menacing if as boasted by developer(s):
    http://www.wwgc.cc/dvbbs/UploadFile/200452623515198167.jpg
    But, will it deliver as promise? Very competitive, my take…

    in reply to: JF-17 new pics, including cockpit picture! #2693626
    edisonone
    Participant

    Because it is important to be realistic and not nationalistic, this is an F-18 cockpit, that there is no doubt about.

    :rolleyes:

    Strange but true:

    They are copying to the very last detail the best of Honda, of
    Toyota, of BMW, and more (for Chinese market) with a vengeance and these
    people can’t do zilch but to holler “INFRINGEMENT” of copyrights.

    Where there’s a will, there’s a way???

    :p

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