edisononeHey Tinwing, do you have more information about Indias foreign debt? Are they realy suffering negative per capita growth?
Let me try this one :p:
Keep your eyes glued to Lou Dobbs of CNN. He’ll probably
shift gears and start telling you point blank what he thinks of outsourcing
jobs to India now that you are the focus of his attention.
He was in China’s hairs for a while. It’s probably
now your turn :p . Interesting man this Lou Dobbs :p so
keep an eye on him. You may even like the guy.
Good luck and happy CNNing :p!
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edisononeThat’s clearly a copy of an An-124, right down to the small fins on the engine nacelles.
Well… I suppose if something is needed for them to model after, and
the An-24 is the selection of choice. Then best to them. Example: the Y-10 of the 60s or
the 70s is IMO an aggressive plan on their part to try and reproduce the Boeing 707, which IMO is a good
choice. What I’m trying to say is this: it’s the enthusiasm that counts.
But, if that was a wise crack by someone from the net, which I doubt, then
good for him too for the fine job because, it is the imaginations of people such as him that
influences progress in this world and that which turns dreams into realities.
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edisonone.
To have or not to have a large stockpile:
Of all subjects, I doubt if this one fits into the pages
of Modern Military aviation either. But then again, where is the beef and
the gravies that goes with off topic subjects as this???
Anyway and regardless, do you know how many people the world over
was affected by Cherynobol? The health affects of it that is? Golly, in the very
begining, it was said that even milk from the UK was laced with fallouts.
I mean Chernynobol was only one nuke. A major conflict would
simultaneously involve hundreds of nukes. So, do you seriously think that a large
stockpile would make a difference “in the final outcome” if a major major conflict between
two or more of the 7 major nukes in the world materializes?
Be serious!!!
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edisononeRussian and ukrainian engineers play important role in the development aircraft such L-15 (Yakolev),J-10 ,JH-7A (sukhoi) and Y8X(antonov). and will continue to do so in the next decade.
Russian and ukrainian engineers:
Don’t you think that the Russian and the Ukrainian
engineers would’ve wanted credit for their creation if they had indeed
contributed so much to China’s aviation industry?
Truth, and an open admission of guilt by Chinese engineers: China’s recent
accomplishments “in all fields”, was due principally to the SUPER COMPUTERS that China got
from the west in the 80’s. These computers enabled Chinese engineers to do the massive calculations
needed to succeed in what they do and the first by-product was the JH-7.
So! Ukrainians? Lip services – maybe! But direct roles? Not
likely because, I don’t think the Chinese would want any of their prized
possessions to leak and it will leak if others are involved in it.
JH-7:
The info I got was that the JH-7 was China’s
attempt at replicating the Panavia Tornado. And, rather
than variable swept wings which is a burden on the aircraft
(weight), they settled for fixed wings instead.
And for the Rolls Royce power plant?
I thought it was Chris Patent’s thanks to China for
helping him repair his ticker back then.
Aside from the Tornado, the Mirage 2000, was another of China’s
inspirations back then. And though China’s Mirage-2000 plan wasn’t as
anticpated because time was the essence at the time because Brezhnev was on
China’s back with nukes and all, it, supposedly, ended as the J-8.
China didn’t have any access to any techs at time. No one wanted
to share. She had to start from scratch and she had to experiment. Even
the notes needed to put China’s missiles and rocketry programme together, it was said,
was uploaded into the hard disks of Mr. Qian Xuesen (Tsien Hsue-shen)
and brought back to China in a Korean POW exchange in the 50’s.
In other words: There was no free lunch for China. Period.
edisononeThe 04 change was for at least three possibly more reasons.
1) The US offered pakistan F-16, in order to keep the FC-1 in favour in pakistan and maintain chinese influence in that country improvements were made.
2) The IAF MRCA requirement, introduced the spectre of yet more adavanced combat aircraft in the region, thus more capabiliyu was needed in an attempt to combat the ever increasing proliferation of advanced 4th generation types.
3) The PLAAF had not ans still has yet to fully commit to the type, thus more incentive was required for indigenous orders.
4) It was apparent from flight testing that there were serious problems with the original design, so something had to be done and fast.
There will not any major airframe changes between production FC-1’s they will all have the DSI intakes and the LERX. The only difference’s wll be in avionics and weapons intergration.
I’m used to babblings so let me have the honors:
Rumors or speculations flying around the net as to
why the FC1-04 took on such drastic change was because
the US was trying to kill the Pakistani-Chinese partnership with bribes
of F-16s thus forcing the Chinese to up the stakes.
This one, it is claimed, is now top notch.
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edisononeI had that sense, too.
The switch in U.S. policy isn’t going to
come without a price tag.
Price Tag:
My opinion: It’s an American attempt to erect a coral around all of Asia…
With regards to the offers: I’m even open to the idea that the ambiguity
employed in the language may even signify the possibility that the F-22 as well as technical
asistance to help fire up India’s indiginous programmes is on the table.
America’s offer to “increase trade” between the two country is a turning
point primarily for and is something that strictly leans on India’s favor. It would serve
as a tool, and an opportunity too of course, for India to boost its national revenues, thus the
financial independence for her to truly rev up her her defense industry.
I would expect for India to start making headways soon in the area
of military modernization and, for both face value and with American knowhow,
I would expect for her to make good about her Chandra programme.
Long in coming I suppose, and expected too of course, therefore
I wouldn’t under estimate the potentials of this partnership to move mountains
or even for its abilities to stir up tsunamis of the continental kind…
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edisonone.
super hornets complement MiG-29K? hhhhmmm….
Super Hornets & MiG-29K:
My thoughts:
To date, and since it (F-18) hasn’t even met up with one of
its peers (front line Russian fighters) face to face yet, never mind other
worldly systems such as the Grippen, etc., which are plenty out there; may I
suggest that we don’t jump for joy too prematurely just yet.
Example: We Canucks have a fleet of this A/C (earlier F-18s however) and,
the Canadian free press carries negative news about it almost constantly. Here in my
neck of the woods, our politicians, regardless if for the politics of it or if over economics,
classifies the F-18 almost as that of the subs we had bought from the UK.
Don’t believe me? Ask any Canuck what their politicians thought
of the cost of maintaining and upkeeping their fleet of F-18s are. Ironically, and
for whatever the reason, some of our politicians have even voiced their discontent or
opinions that the F-16 should have been more the logical choice.
But, this much I agreed: the prestigiousness of the F-18 does entitle
its registered owner the bragging rights and, that’s probably the reason for Canada
to settle for the F-18 as oppsed to the 14, 15, or 16 when first offerd.
I mean whenever I see a fleet of this shinny, gleeming, and fascinating
fighter roar overhead as it approaches YVR whenever our Prime Minister comes
for a visit (quite often) or during an Air Show event, I just froze and stood there in a
state of awe until the darn thing is out of sight, or I won’t budge an inch.
Yes, it indeed is a cool and SEXY looking machine…
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edisononeHi edisonone
I agreed totally Hehehe 😀 . That why I don’t even bother to translate it, don’t want to cause flame here :p . No doubt in my mind people will be extremely upset 😉 , and make this nice thread into flame war.
They (Gang of Yang Wei) seems to be pretty confident about what they
had said. They must, to a degree, have some pretty good idea about what they are
talking about. MingPoa’s 2 cents can be relied upon as “honest reporting”.
edisononethats also a very possible outcome.
I think this one is a done deal. After all, India needs to maintain pace
with the rest of the world and the US wants to fence in the Chinese and, the FA-18
barter offer them this advantage. If I’m New Dehli, I definitely wouldn’t pass up an offer of a
lifetime like this one. The FA-18 would give any country bragging rights.
And somebody’s got to give Beijing that kick in the butt you know.
Otherwise it may revert back to that sleeping giant it was in the past. Consider it a challenge
to give their XXJ everything they’ve got and maybe a bit more.
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In response to the below refered to reference:
Now I understand the wide reference of the term No. 3 :p. I mean
after seeing how the 100 coins gets shuffled back and forth the equal sign, I finally come
to realize that it’s all about the business of mathmatic and of magic :p.
Thanks. I’ve always wondered why the term No. 3.
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edisononewill india take the bite,since US refuse to provide source code for the fighter aircraft,even to there closes alllied such israel and britain.
My thoughts:
The USSR used the Indian card when it had a phobic reaction about
China’s potentials to jump into the gladiator’s pend with them and — they armed
India as well as anyone they can think of that surrounds China to the teeth and they gave
them their best and their sharpest. Now, I guess, it’s America turn :p.
Anyway, a “no matter if it’s a black cat or if a white cat strategy”
here I suppose. But, being that necessity is indeed the mother of all creations,
this strategic and overtly mean move may in fact prove to be the kick in the butt
for Beijing to take the “speede de gonzales” approach I suppose.
And, if the Chinese hits the gas pedal on this one, they definitely
need their neighbors to thank for because, competition fuels progress and
competition unquestionably makes the world go around and round.
Confucious says: “For every action,
there is an equal and opposite reaction.” Damn!!!
Was it Confucious who said that???
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edisonone.
Some pretty far fetched claims there that I’m
not yet ready to digest, or even to use my Babblefish on, particularly
contents in the 4th and 5th paragraph, because, this thread
will erupt in a state of emotional frenzy if I do.
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edisononeThere are too many indians writing trash here…
Ironically, somehow, some way, and by whatever means, they seem
to have an immunity to it. Thus, they can affort to trash whatever, whenever, and
wherever they please without the percievability of consequences…
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edisononeBangladesh should save its money to buy nuclear bombs.
With the following offer?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060303/wl_sthasia_afp/usindiamilitary_060302235905
You know that even the F-16s and not just the MiG-29s
and the Mirages, are gearing up “potentially” for some pretty
stiff competition and I suspect the FC-1 to be the culprit.
If otherwise, why would the US be prepared to offer India a fighter
as advanced as the FA-18 or, why would India jump in at the opportunity
almost instantanously given the astronomical price tag attached to F-18s when they
already have MiG-29s, Su-27s and 30s, and French Mirages to boot?
And the J-7s Pakistan picked up last or that which
was ordered by Bangladesh? It was said that it was designed to give
Taiwans F-16s and their Mirages a run for their money.
Therefore Bangladesh definitely got
its money’s worth. The think tanks of Washington…
they don’t do anythings for nothing…
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edisononeFor whatever this is worth…
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Can we say that this is of the C-5 Galaxy range?
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/head/83/20060303/13139085.html
Longs ways off yet I suspect.
But, the plans and the ambitions is definitely
there by the looks of this.
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edisononewell you can buy a good mig 21 bis for 100 grand US and i heard you can get the Bison upgrade for 1million its better then 5.8million US dollars.
Last I read (chatters and gossips), the latest J-7’s are a distinct breed.
It was designed to tackle even the later of the F-16s (though not the latest series)
though this waits to be seen. It definitely out class others of its genus’s.
It’s definitely worth the bucks it was paid for and maybe a little more…
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