You don’t escort yourself while lugging around cruise missiles,
In most exercises, Rafale is both the strike and escort packages. This is decided according to the conditions, I guess. But as shown in TLP06, it can work. Just like when, in ATLC 09, a Rafale shot 6 AASM while shooting 3 Mica, all at the same time.
@mrmalaya : Don’t worry, I knew. But your humour is depicting a point of the specifications.
By reading into it and recieving some insight from elsewhere, I suspect the Rafale’s role isn’t as positive as many claimed it to be. However, thats not to say it didn’t perform brilliantly, which it did as did others such as the F/A-18, Tornado GR4, Typhoon etc.
Ok…
So, please share your insight you got from “elsewhere”, and please, tell us where, what or who is your “elsewhere”.
Then, what is your point exactly ? Your sentence is just meaningless, until the point at which to try to dispute the said role and compare it to other types…
I think there are two possibilities explaining your problem :
In the first case, I think you’re going to far, refusing to acknowledge the maturity of the Rafale, how well it performed at the expected level (you may not be aware of our “expectations” in addition) and why it appeared on so many magazine covers.
In the second case, I can’t help.
TMor, I believe the Rafale 7-0 (1) encounter over the Typhoon in WVR that happened a while ago. Those aren’t the one(s) I question. I think you know what claims I really mean. Go figure…
If I know what claims you meant, then, I still do see the problem, my answer covered this issue in particular. I didn’t even think about Corsica in my previous post.
That’s what it is made for, but some help may still be needed ! 😎
When the latter claimed blatantly false A/A victories over the Typhoon (amonst other non-Typhoon related claims) and refused to comment about them to many, many non-French professional defence analysts…Well, what else did they expect?
Well, well well.
The victories over the Typhoon weren’t “blatantly false”. You’re in denial.
There is an interpretation you could accept that would make those claims true, though not revealing the whole story (which story, however ?). You chose not to believe the claims at all, that’s your problem.
Then, you assume that they refused to comment about those victories (where ? who ?), but they gave an interview to Air Force Monthly, not exactly a French publication. And even if DSI is French, I guess you choose to dismiss them whenever you want. Remember the issue number 15 ?:rolleyes: Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for an answer from the RAF pilots, whose comments never reached neither UK publications nor French.
I think you simply do not realize that before what happened in UAE, our newspapers wouldn’t have bet on the Rafale for the outcome of the Typhoon vs Rafale encounter.
The “big radar”, “longer ranged missile”, “supercruise” arguments were quite efficient here too, before.
EELightning, we could continue this discussion for years, this would lead nowhere.
My reaction to the Eurofighter’s piece was due to a mere fact which you didn’t catch : French pilots (not Dassault) may have lied by not revealing all the details. But hey, they all do the same, just like when Eurofighter used the JOUST results since 1994 without judging useful to add that all systems were too confidential to make the simulation relevant at comparing Rafale and Typhoon.
Here, Eurofighter, on this incredible page 10, have went much further : they published pure fantasia, imagining poor excuses for our use of Mirage F1, SuEtendard etc alongside with Rafale.
THIS is what I would call “blatant lies”, immaturity, trolling and all.
Do YOU personnally believe that M F1, and older types were complementing Rafale because the latter isn’t good enough ?
Do you buy there argument about the dual seater while Rafale M was performing the tasks too ?
Sincerely ?:) Do you think the people publishing this marketing sheet know their bit about the real reasons ? I’m sure you would have been much better.
In hope that language issues won’t make the thing worst.
If last time they claimed such a superiority under such conditions wasn’t the Singaporean deal, I would think that this high level of over confidence is due to the assurance that they will bag the indian deal…
Yes…
AESA details in the new Eurofighter magazine -confirmed entry to service 2015
Word of warning, Its not nice reading for Rafale fans..:o (page 10 – ouch)
What a bunch of pathetic trolls !!! Incredible !
I once wrote that in terms of marketing, Eurofighter was a full generation ahead, I tend to find some Dassault’s claims awkward, but here, those guys at Eurofighter really look retarded. What’s wrong with them ?!
Sometimes, countries don’t care about this kind of details…
South Korea, Singapore, India, they all have sent France a RFP. Jeopardise the relations ?
And when both parties quote their best price they are virtually identical.:diablo:
But “best price”, or “best offer”, in a particular bid isn’t necessarily the absolute lowest price possible to stay profitable.
It could be true for either side…
A dot isn’t a slash “/”.
I would read it as “deca Newtons-hour”.
Difficult one.
Let them do the math, I can’t ! WE can’t ! 😀
Tmor,
You are quoting A&C and it says ” better sensor fusion (thus better situation awareness)”
Yes.
And this may be true. But in DSI, the details aren’t consistent with what we could learn about Typhoon (pilots having to merge mentally the plots from radar and IRST… while in fact, it’s no mystery that Typhoon can do it automatically, as Scorpion stated). This is why I wrote that Grandclaudon failed to say why Rafale’s MMI are better.
In the way “late 70s design”.
Gripen is a more modern and maneuverable fighter. In terms of avionics, it’s harder to assess, since newer Mirage 2000s greatly benefit from what was developped for Rafale.
Nice article about those Mirage in Combat Aircraft Monthly (European edition, vol12, no7), p66, “The Delta Wonder” by HP Grolleau.