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November 4, 2011 at 5:52 am in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread V #2373437

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@EEL:

I think you did not understand the BW’s message.

You didn’t give the word “steroids” enough importance.
You should have read that Typhoon follows similar design philosophy to the M2000 (an interceptor for sure but multirole from the begining with all kinds of load outs). But “on steroids” makes all the differenceS (much more power, much better avionics, much more payload possibilities etc).

In addition, I suppose you agree with this when Eurofighter claims that Rafale is “too compromised” for the A2G role… You can’t have it both way…

BW didn’t counterdict himself, but maybe there is a language issue, since I know what he means in French…

November 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2373613

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I will eat a GBU 12 if Typhoon wins in Japan.

I really hope you will have to !:D

November 3, 2011 at 10:46 am in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2373853

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So is the Typhoon. Feel free to show us a single source from Eurofighter itself stating that the Rafale is just a low level bomb truck! And no Jon Lake isn’t Eurofighter!

Eurofighter has been using JOUST widely to spread the idea that only F22 and Typhoon were worth the money against future air threats. Rafale was depicted as barely on pare with upgrades of the Su27 family.

This led many to conclude in a peaceful intention that Typhoon was the way to go for A2A while Rafale would concentrate on A2G.
Further prejudices came when some “journalists” depicted Rafale as a too much compromised fighter to deal with many credible air threat, people becoming skeptical about its ability to fight a block52. But this is another story, and no one can blame people like Scorpion for such a behaviour.
Truth is that Rafale can very well hold is own against a Typhoon, both in B and WVR, and was quite capable against the F22 in gun fights too.

October 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2376642

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For the record Dassault CEO said during lattest Paris air show conference that he expect the difference in price to be around 60%

How confident…

October 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2377611

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There is no way Eurofighter can undercut Dassault…

I envy your optimism.

October 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm in reply to: Mirage 3/5 v F1 comparison #2380623

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J79 kick Atar9K’s rear-end.

Provided a proper integration to the airframe. 😎

October 12, 2011 at 5:00 am in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2384047

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If you relax & re-read, you will find that the anonymous poster said that the previous poll was hacked/rigged, i.e Rafale popularity was fake 😮
Still i agree with the general consensus it has no bearing on the MMRCA deal

You missed the begining of the story. Choose your side : if you want to discard it, do not get it wrong. 😉

October 11, 2011 at 9:55 pm in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2384166

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And the manipulation of a poll has exactly what to do with the MMRCA competition itself? :confused:

There is nothing we can discuss about the MMRCA on an internet thread without the various sources, articles, polls, jokes, etc.
The thread is full of “my side is better than yours because [OPINION + SPECULATION ETC]”.

This poll about MMRCA is well in line with what people do on internet and on fora, that’s to say give their opinion, and sometimes cheat, lie, and behave as nasty chauvinists.

I see no reason to waste so much energy at rejecting the eagle1’s message, unless you do the same for 90 percent of the messages here. 😀

You may see this message as an attempt to lighten the mood in a quite pointless discussion… then stick to the news.:D

October 11, 2011 at 5:48 am in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2384561

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If I may add to Jo Asakra’s comments; Eurofighter GmbH have made it clear that one of their goals is to offer industrial and technological partnership which meets India’s ‘strategic’ goals. They have openly stated this on a number of occasions.

So, Typhoon has both the best offsets and the best ‘strategic’ benefits… ? 🙁

October 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2384762

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So, even if Typhoon ends up as the L1 because of better offsets and all, the nuclear capable Rafale could bag the deal ?

😀

September 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2307982

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Under some circumstances, which I imagine will be extremely rare.

Maybe… To make it clear, I was referring to the 5.5g software limitation in A2G configurations.

And even though 2000L tanks are the heaviest objects cleared today on the belly pylon, I’m not sure this pylon wouldn’t accept even heavier objects (I can’t remember the actual limit)..

The weight of the Brahmos wouldn’t be the problem, IM(H)O. But it would be extremely penalizing, and as far as size is concerned, it would not fit…

September 25, 2011 at 9:39 pm in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2308576

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Rafale can easily carry 2.5 tons – and indeed, far more – but that is not the same as carrying a single 2.5 ton object. I think a 2000 litre fuel tank is the heaviest single object that any of its hard points can accept, & that’s rather lighter. And there is also the matter of length, as you say.

Rafale can carry 1.6t of fuel on 3 pylons… And under some conditions, those payloads weight up to 5.5 times their normal weight…:D

September 23, 2011 at 5:04 am in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309565

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What is so surprising ?

September 18, 2011 at 7:44 pm in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2311960

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Turbine life of the M88-2E1 reportedly was 200 h only.

It was only 150 hours at the very beginning, but as soon as January 2001, it had increased to 500 hours.

This was increased to 700 h on the M88-2E4

As soon as M88-E4 was introduced, it started at “more than 800 hours” (A&C in 2006).

Rafale’s received almost no hardware upgrades ever since the F2 standard was introduced in late 2004.

Rafale is seen as built around a quite visionary hardware architecture.
Hardware modifications are mainly aimed at obsolescence treatment instead of new capabilities (there are F2 upgraded to F3 and F3-O). I guess it has a lot to do with the will to keep an homogeneous fleet. If capabilities are missing, Rafale receives some kits (Rover, new radios,…).

September 18, 2011 at 6:40 pm in reply to: MMRCA for Malaysia #2311963

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typhoon better in a2a? please…. AESA Vs AESA, AIM-120 Vs AIM-120… F-15SG would win against typhoon in this instance

Big old fighter RCS Vs at least ten times lower RCS…
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