Correct me if I’m wrong, but if that is the case, then Dassault took a big, big risk if they submitted a Rafale price to be subsidised by “inflated” profit from the M2K upgrade.
But there are negociations after the choice.
Yes.
What did you expect, seriously ? 😀
I can’t remember when, but in an Air Fan magazine, we could learn that the third mode of Spectra isn’t even used within our borders.
I would side with MadRat.
Well, pfffft, it apparantly did happen, go ask them & figure out. :rolleyes:
It suggests that those heavy configuration were less than the thrust of the engines at high altitude (and hot weather).
On the ground and at 0kts, Typhoon has 18tons of thrust. Its MTOW is more than 18 tons. At HA (and hot weather), the thrust is less (much less). What’s the heavy configuration then ?
I’m not sure that RDY-3 is a downgrade… RC-400 has the small array, but the backend may be the same…
@ mrmalaya : I was talking about my post (“it was just to show..”)
Is Typhoon flying its display with 2 tons of bombs, 1.6 tons of external fuel, A2A missiles and a 5.5g limitation more impressive than Rafale dogfighting against F-15 with 3 tons of external fuel and A2A ? The difference doesn’t look that huge to me.
I find it just incredible that they didn’t trust us about the 75kN engine (just as nearly every forumer, lol).
That’s not fair. That weapon load is heavier.
That Rafale display with a weapons load is just…Well its turning right then left…
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Yes but as OPIT said, the Rafale was significantly heavier than the Typhoon.
This was just to show that Dassault already demonstrated the Rafale in a “real world” configuration.
Fully loaded fighters aren’t “beautiful”…
I’m quite happy to see those machines fly clean.:)
For the classical dance, the tutu look better than the big winter coat, don’t you think ?:D
Already posted somewhere on this forum, but :
http://rafale.freeforums.org/le-bourget-1997-rafale-flying-in-heavy-configuration-t116.html
AFAIK, 11.
@ Scorpion :
What would dedicated ARMs bring ?
A radar can be located by a Rafale flying high but out of the SAM envelope, and the coordinates can be sent to another low flying Rafale.
@BW and JWCook
Oh please….
Here, we’re really talking about ‘impolite claims’.:rolleyes: Let’s close this case.
@ EELightning
Your reaction is strange. Eurofighter has been bashing Rafale for years. Nobody is nicer than the other. You don’t even know everything about what was said during Le Bourget, all I can guess is that Dassault’s impolite claims were published, while Eurofighter’s weren’t (yet ?).
You may want to see a lack of confidence in this, and while I do not agree with you on this point, I agree on the fact that those claims are disgraceful. As were many others.

Even that would be ridiculous.
It might… As I said, this is like a tennis game…
@ mrmalaya : there’s nothing fair when it comes to corporate communication and marketing. I think it’s not a good idea to claim than French are nastier than others. It’s like a tennis game.
I also happen to think that commenting upon marketing claims and slogan is not very interesting, because we know so well where it leads to.
Look at this :
http://www.eurofighter.com/eurofighter-world/airshows-events/paris-air-show/le-bourget-blog.html
Funnily enough, Eurofighter’s competitors seem to be a bit nervous, and probably, also a bit worried about the achievements of the Typhoon which are proving to the markets the aircraft’s real weight.
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So, no JSF for India, no marketing leading radar for Thales and no satisfaction for a programme like the Rafale that should concentrate on delivering a better return to the French taxpayer than on attacking its competitors.
Considering that Rafale is doing its work just like planned, we’re talking about professional trolls.:D