the emission recorder looking for a pattern of a random wavelength isnt gunna work, what else

So you think it will never be defeated ?

By the way, i don’t think Arthuro intended that AC works, but just quoted it as a rumor.

Or am I completely wrong here?

Factually, those who have read this forum regularly for years KNOW that when it comes to make a negative comment on Rafale, he would be very well connected to the French community…

He had no problem phoning an unnamed French source for the 8G limit, distorting what i told him which was more than enough.

He had no problem phoning his French anonymous friend about Singapore, and claimed several times how he got confessions from an unnamed French TP having flown both aircraft (RAfale and Typhoon) according to who Typhoon is so superior.

There was a time when he was repeating again and again that Typhoon was a generation ahead of Rafale in many areas etc.

So, Loke, you’re true. We shouldn’t bother to discuss with such a troll. The problem is that he has been polluting our threads for years with fallacious claims (SOPHISMS, really, intentional, or not). Do not wonder about why all French are against him here.

Because we have to choose between him, or our journalists/AdA guys/pilots.

You know what i mean ? There is demonstratively something wrong.

Read my last message.

What standards? By whom? More drama??…

You joined on 18th May 2009. Had you already read the forum before ?
Go read what happened to every public guy having a favorable opinion on Rafale… Glen Torpy, Peter Collins, Moussez, etc.

No, it’s clear only to you and I know why I insist on some things, when I insist on them. So, to make long story short how about you producing a mail from Dassault, similar to the one I got from EF GmbH??

Why Dassault ? Not interesting. AdA maybe.

That’s one other curious thing. What exactly did Lt.Col. say??

A bit of history…
http://blog.francetv.fr/capitaine-romain/index.php/2009/11/27/154660-atlc
This is the blog of Capitaine Romain. A pilot from the 1/7 Provence who flew over Afghanistan and wrote about his experience of war in a book.
Being well in touch, on the 27th of november, he said on the blog :

Je ne parviens pas à taire plus longtemps mon plaisir : Les pilotes qui font là-bas la démonstration des capacités du fleuron aéronautique français, portent vraiment très hautes les couleurs de la France, remportant de magnifiques victoires face aux autres nations.

Je donnerai ici de plus amples précisions la semaine prochaine! 🙂

Enhanced Google translation :

I can not remain silent any longer my pleasure, the pilots who are out there demonstrating the capabilities of the French aircraft, are brringing really high the colors of France, winning magnificent victories against other nations.

I’ll give here more details next week! 🙂

Unfortunately, he didn’t give details so early.
Remember at the same time…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1495563#post1495563
According to Jack’s sources, Rafale and Typhoon weren’t supposed to have fought against each other. Rafale had met the Raptor, and results were to be “entirely as you’d predict.” (Jackonicko’s words here)
Then, on the 17th of December, the day when the press conference occured, Jean-Marc Tanguy published this article :
http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2009/12/la-raf-nest-plus-ce-quelle-est.html

Thursday, December 17, 2009
The RAF is not what it was
The first account reports made this morning by a French Rafale pilot reported a superiority of the French fighter Typhoon RAF during confrontations made in recent weeks, the UAE. The first confrontation involving four against four Typhoon Rafale ended with a 4-0 in favor of French. Despite, explains it, the carriage of air-air weapons fictitiously gradient. After a little degraded even arming, the Rafale has yet won, 3-1.
The Rafale has been confronted with the F22 on a flight, but in a limited combat air to air view. It would have been in the sights of U.S. fighter than once, says it does too.
The Rafale, it is understood, has greatly improved its reputation, especially among drivers UAE. He and repeatedly demonstrated its superiority across the spectrum missional in detecting sites of ground-air missiles that had not been updated by U.S. F-16CJ. Furthermore, the front sector optronics (OSF) has also enabled the detection and identification up to 40 kilometers an asset which prevents the aircraft exposed for visual identification at 3-4 km, which is necessary for most other types of aircraft.
Similarly, within a minute, a Rafale has fired six AASM on as many targets, at ranges of several tens of kilometers, while also taking three missiles air-air Mica. Back up, that day, a UAE driver …
Published by mammoth leader at 12/17/2009 11:49:00 AM
Labels: Air Force, Gust

A bit later, Jean-Dominique Merchet wrote his article :
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2009/12/carton-plein-pour-le-rafale-lors-dexercices-aux-emirats.html

“Full house” for the Rafale, during exercises in the UAE

The participation of six combat aircraft Rafale F3 recent Air Tactical Leadership Course (DPAC) held in United Arab Emirates from November 15 to December 9 was a “total success”. “We have full board” ensures Lt. Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, commander of the squadron 1 / 7 Provence (Saint-Dizier).

The participation in this major international exercise was very important for France while negotiations for the sale of 60 Rafale UAE continues. Clearly, a good point was marked by the French with their colleagues UAE. Especially the availability of Rafale has been “exemplary” They were able to participate in the exercises for two patrols of four aircraft per day from the base of Al Dhafra

The “plateau” for this meeting was ATLP impressive F-16 C / D Block 60 and Mirage 2000-9 (UAE), F-16 MLU (Jordan), F-7 [a modernized version of the MiG-21] (Pakistan ) Typhoon [Eurofighter] (United Kingdom) and F-16 CJ and F-22 (USA). Over AWACS and tankers. The exercise is to simulate raids important to forty aircraft, in “realistic missions represent a high intensity conflict”. Equipment must face a oppositon air and ground to air.

In terms of air combat, its frontal area optronics (OSF) has enabled the Rafale to visually identify targets up to 30/40 miles, while identifying habitual air defense is between three and five kilometers. In terms of electronic warfare, gusts were detected ground-air threats that the F-16 CJ U.S., which is the main purpose had not seen. A Gust was able to simulate the firing six air-ground munitions (A2SM) of 6 different targets (programmed) at a distance of 20 to 40 kilometers, then fired three missiles air-air Mica, all in a minute – reflecting versatility of the aircraft.

In air to air fighting, the Rafale has “put the plate” to Typhoons from the Royal Air Force, provides the Lieutenant Colonel Grandclaudon. In degraded version, four against four, the Rafale has made scores of 4 to 0 and 3 to 1.

The French fighter aircraft also rubbed the F-22, the most modern fighter of the USAF. During a meeting, they have clashed six times, the F-22 does put a shot on goal.

Written on 18/12/2009 at 05:06 | Permalink

Capitaine Romain finally copied the later on his blog, as it reflects what he knows.

I won’t ask you to trust Feeser since i doubt him too, but he put a translation of its own article on his blog. Feeser is a former Mirage F1 pilot. He claims (in the comments) that according to his sources, Rafale won the 5 other engagements against the F-22.
THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL ! It may not even deserve to be pasted here.
http://richard.feeser.over-blog.com/article-the-best–41382541.html

Latest aerial maneuvers in the United Arab Emirates (Air Tactical Leadership Course), combining in-ground air raid, or opponent in air combat air to air, many modern fighters like the French Rafale, the Typhoon and the Raptor British American led show the clear superiority of the Rafale in any field.

With excellent operational availability, patrols of four Rafale have been brought against the Typhoon of the RAF could not resist despite carrying an air-air weapons fictitiously degraded by Rafale ….

Taking advantage of its capabilities for detection and identification at long distance (40 km), the Rafale also pulled out of the game against the F22 Raptor, being more maneuvering.

Furthermore, during a mission air-ground, a Rafale could deal with six goals apart in record time by AASM (modular air-ground), while firing three air-to-air interceptors Mica on opponent.

Note that all drivers in attendance were highly skilled on the type of machine.

Do not doubt that this demonstration of air superiority will target multiple for the Rafale in the difficult trade negotiations for its export to Gulf countries, Brazil and elsewhere.

Do you actually know what he said, or you read report on his statement on some blog?

2 journalists, well known in France, publishing in great newspaper. Come on ! 😮

My source tells me that not one of those journos (who included at least one French writer) batted an eyelid, and none questioned its validity.

Give your source, give the name of this guy, make us laugh !!!!

As usual… the french in your story is like “the spoon full of sugar makes the medecine go down”.

I thought you were a journalist. 😮
Then, you should know that “who” and “when” are as important as “what”

Oh, no need to tell him.

He perfectly know his job, he perfectly knows when we can trust a source, or not.

What I want to see is someone puts him money where his mouths are (signed and verified by legal, not-private, entities), like Eurofighter GmbH did.

If people wanted to play it fair, this comment, from Eurofighter PR departement, HAS STRICTLY NO VALUE (according to the usual standards applied against Rafale). DOT.

OTOH, neither AdlA nor Dassault endorsed his position and you’re welcome to produce documents which prove different.

It is very clear that you deny what makes you feel uncomfortable, since you prefer the words from a private commercial company to the words from our ARMEE DE L’AIR.

Sorry. Lt Colonel did not say all of this while interrogated by unscrupulous journalists at home, and this was not published in a magazine like “Air Fan” or “Air et Cosmos” (the magazines JackoLake really love).

Lt Colonel talked during a totally official press conference, organised by the AdA, on thursday morning,
Paris, le jeudi 17 décembre 2009
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/defense/votre_espace/journalistes/points_presse/point_presse_du_ministere_de_la_defense_du_17_decembre_2009

POINT DE PRESSE

DU MINISTÈRE DE LA DÉFENSE

Le prochain point de presse hebdomadaire du ministère de la Défense se tiendra le jeudi 17 décembre 2009 à 11h00 en salle Koenig, 8 rue Saint-Dominique, Paris 7e.

Monsieur Laurent Teisseire, porte-parole du ministère, traitera des questions d’actualité.

Deux thèmes feront l’objet de présentations spécifiques :

– participation des Rafale à l’exercice Advanced Tactical Leadership Course (ATLC) au centre d’entraînement à la guerre aérienne d’Al Dhafra
(Émirats Arabes Unis) ;

– le sas de Chypre au sein du dispositif de soutien psychologique, dans le cadre du retour des unités engagées en Afghanistan.

Where was your “objectivity” in producing this statement, since the link you posted is older then the date I send my request in the first place, so this was obviously known by the time I sent my mail??

I don’t know what you’re questionning here. I merely asked you if you had an idea of who he was.:rolleyes:

This appears to be a purposeful double standard.
Of course it is nice to have a name to quote, but that’s not possible and you have to decide yourself wether you just believe what is cleared to be released or if you are open to what others have to say.

😮

Sorry, Scorpion… I meant : 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮

We have Benco, we have GrandClaudon in the name of AdA. We have Richard Feeser (former Mirage F1 pilot), and also Capitaine Romain. They may not be all trustworthy, but i’m sorry for you if you can’t make the difference between those who can talk publicly, and those who systematically quote anonymous people.
I don’t know which M2000 pilots you’re talking about, i don’t know who you are charging with that, but i really thought you had a perfect picture of the whole thing to see that…

For years, all the names we had have been discredited because they came from PR departement, whether they are from the AdA or Dassault.

We can find all the names we want, all the public sources, all the guys who have the balls to give their names, our AdA can put its credibility at stakes…. you still don’t trust them because finally, all the kind of source you wouldn’t have trusted if they were french are good since they are in the opposite side….

Oh ****, never mind, i give up. :rolleyes:

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