Thanks, happy new year to you…

Why do you call Toocool “Dare/BlueWings/Thunder/Fonk/Sampaix/Test Engineer/Wingman” ?

I reckon we just say that time will tell eh?

Yes. 😀 The good old and usual “wait and see”.

When does the official secrets stuff run-out on these things?

It’s not a matter of secret…

When i asked a M2000-5 pilot about what happened against italian Typhoon, he first gave me an answer.
Then i asked him why there is such a secret around this story, he told me it wasn’t a secret, but when they meet for training, it is discourteous to tell the world what happened.

This is why i acknowledge that there is something unfair in what AdA did.

The question is “why did they reveal the results ?” Given those results, to me, it’s clear that it’s an attempt to rehabilitate the Rafale in the A2A arena, because it’s victim of a lot of prejudice, especially coming from… maybe the RAF itself, if the Jon Lake’s quotations of Defense Analysis are true (with so much of nonsense from the mouth of RAF pilots).

Does France not normally follow a similar line?

As far as i know, it does.
Never heard officially about what the Rafale did against the Gripen at Reims, never heard about the results of M2000 vs Su-30MK, never heard about M2000 vs F-16 (you know how hot the discussion can be)…

the two aircraft which are rated as better or comparable to the Rafale.

Sorry, but by who ? Not by the French, except for F-22.:cool:

There have been other exercises in the past two years (just as badly reported and just as hard to draw anything from) and this result more than overturns them.

Not exactly. One side said recently “we beat this type”. The other never said so as accurately. It’s just to counteract a little the “more than overturns” expression.

The questioning of the RAF prowess, the way a devasting result has come out from a single source with no subsequent support across from military, industry or media…

The LT Colonel talked at an official AdA press conference… In the name of our Armée de l’Air.

He didn’t question the RAF. He just gave the results. Still hard to swallow, i understand perfectly (even if true, there’s something unfair).

does the rafale have a harm or similar missile ?

Not yet.

the spector rf directional warning nor the front optics can do this as far as i kinow and have been told, but i’m happy to be corrected

What’s the interest of 3D direction finding for Spectra ?

http://rafale.freeforums.org/post56.html#p56

Another unique capability, according to Col. François Moussez, the French Air force’s Rafale program officer is that it can fire missiles at targets detected and designated by its integrated Spectra countermeasures suite, again without any need for active transmissions that can give away its position.

JackJack…

:rolleyes:

3D location… Triangulation… Spectra is capable of doing the job, since the F3 standard.

one is a strike fighter for an aircraft carrier

Wrong… :

Many people judge the Rafale’s A2A performance on the base of predejuices rather than factual information & data.

from what i have read, it wasnt bvr it was a dogfight

Joust was for BVR.
What happened in ATLC was BVR.

so you’re trying to say the f-16 ‘couldnt’ find any and rafale found them all, got a link ?

Same very official press conference by the AdA.
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2009/12/carton-plein-pour-le-rafale-lors-dexercices-aux-emirats.html

En matière de guerre électronique, les Rafales ont détecté des menaces sol-air que les F-16 CJ américains, dont c’est la vocation principale, n’avaient pas vu.

= Rafale have detected ground-to-air threats that the F-16 CJ failed to detect.

Yes, those were two “4 Typhoon vs 4 Rafale” BVR engagements.

And i hope that people will accept the results without implying that French are :
-silly ;
-clowns ;
-liars ;
-desperate.

This time, the Rafale won. We can speculate or not about the RoE, but would the Typhoon have won, it wouldn’t have surprised as much, it wouldn’t have brought as much scepticism.

This may not even mean that Rafale is superior to Typhoon. But it’s a serious indication that Rafale is unfairly and severely under estimated in the A2A role. The only fact that our AdA (as well as our Marine pilots at le Bourget earlier) revealed this story is here to tell the world “stop with all this nonsense”.

As Scorpion said :

Many people judge the Rafale’s A2A performance on the base of predejuices rather than factual information & data.

Small wonder that the French blogosphere concluded that La RAF n’est plus ce que’elle était – “The RAF isn’t what it was”

You know how journalists can be. I know one who wrote a awful unbalanced article in Air International in 2006 if i remember well. It was time for AdA to react.