TMorunderwing pod named “Squale”. What the heck is this pod supposed to be ? :confused:
This pod contains camera to film the self-destruction of the OSPEI shells during the Rafale gun shooting tests.;)
TMorFrance reiterates offer of 40 Rafale fighters to India
French aircraft manufacturer Dassault on Friday reiterated an offer for 40 Rafale fifth generation multi-role fighter aircraft. Charles Edelstenne, Chairman and CEO said that the unsolicited offer made during the Aero India Show in Bangalore early last year, still stands.
“We feel that the process for acquiring 126 fighter aircraft will take some time and we understand the need for additional planes for the IAF. If the Indian government is interested, we are ready to answer,” Edelstenne was part of the 35-member defence delegation accompanying French President Nicholas Sarkozy which includes defence minister Herve Morin, was addressing a select media briefing in the capital.
France is already offering the Rafale as part of the Indian Air Force’s requirement for 126 multirole fighter aircraft worth over $ 10 billion (Rs 42,000 crore). Tenders were issued to manufacturers from the United States, France, Sweden, Russia and the United Kingdom. This deal, the world’s largest fighter aircraft buy and the IAF’s first global tender for fighter aircraft, is meant to replace the IAF’s fast-depleting fleet of MiG-21s. […]
And in the same time :
Dassault answers the 126 fighters bid (sorry in French)
Expand G-8 to include India: Sarkozy
France Supports India’s Bid For UN Security Council Permanent Membership
TMorArthuro, you can also subscribe to an hosting site, such as Imageshack for example. 😉
TMorHi guys, I got the permission to post the image, all credits to the photographer.
Thank you, both Scorpion, and the photographer. 😉
TMorSo from what i can gather the Rafale has a capability that no other front line fighter in the world today has in active cancellation
😀 It’s not what is said, of course.
But as you wrote, none is talking about that.
PY Chaltiel could also have never met the journalists this day. And this story would never haver begun.
Maybe this technique is absolutely common on every modern fighter… After all, who knows ?:D
Coldfire : thank you. 😉
TMorNo rumor here ! 😀
I think we’d better think about this sentence alone :
Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, a Thales engineer on the Spectra program, remarked in a 1997 interview that Spectra uses “stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible… There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO [low-observable] aircraft.”
This is well enough. Notice the plural for “techniques“, and the “real LO” expression. 😀
Saturation + invisibility.😀 I really wonder against what radar it is supposed to work… I think that Kovy’s right…
But I also guess that it’s a war-time trick, and that we’ll never learn more (not even in 50 years).
TMorIt is impossible to conclude in a way or another.
It’s exactly what i meant.
JPL statement is useless in this case.
The only thing we have is that Spectra is a really huge program, compared to the whole Rafale program.
TMorable to jam and “lure” at the same time which mean nothing and everything!
Even a Mirage IV could do this.
Even a Mirage IV was able to disappear to some radars. And it was a long time ago.
TMorJack… Shut up.
Every thing is always more modest with Rafale when you decide to talk about it. 😡
Keep dreaming with your magic Typhoon (with its already wonderfull A2A capabilities, and coming A2G). You’re not the kind of guy to give an idea to those who wonders about Typhoon/F-22 (see the other topic), what a pity for a well informed journalist, with plenty of contacts.:mad:
In fact, you have a lot of FRENCH contacts to make the Rafale appear “more modest”. Funny. But you cannot explain us :
-what are the LERX on the DA5,
-did the Typhoon trained against F-22 ?
-what the problem with vibrations around the air intake at Mach1.6 on your ugly Typhoon ? Why over costs ?
You’re only “well informed” when it comes to Rafale being more “modest”. So, really, shut up now. That’s REALLY FUNNY to see you only pointing bad points on Rafale, and demonstrably NEVER on Typhoon !!! (except that it’s late, and that BAe did a bad job in Singapore => LOL). Whatever you say, we could ask true questions on Typhoon, it often happens, but in those case, you’re never the first to answer.:mad:
Once again, GET LOST. You’re just a pathetic propagandist troll.:mad: You just act like british always did toward Rafale, from 1986 (when british did create a rule to try to prevent Rafale from taking part to Farnborough -min number of flight test hours-) to 1998 AT LEAST (last time Rafale came to Farnborough, because French were fed up with the reception).
It’s really time moderators realize the troll you are. You’re making this forum disgusting to all French posters.
To moderators : Ban me if you want, I REALLY DON’T CARE. I just did my best to provide people with quality posts. Bye
TMorAnd how many of them can do it efficiently, with a kill ratio only second to a dedicated fighter ? I mean NOW.
TMorOne has to note these LGBs are “just” 500 lb class, not 1000 lb class.
Yes. There seems to have no plan to use a 1000lbs bomb on Rafale. 250lbs, 500lbs, 2000lbs.
TMorAccording to the magazine Air Fan, Mica IR, used by a Rafale F2, can be shot at a target at several dozens of nautical miles, in LOBL, provided the target is in full reheat, so as the seeker can track it.
This is for the totally silent BVR capability.
Then, the gun is well cleared for air-to-ground, with the OSPEI (Obut Semi Perforant Explosif Incendiaire), which is 30x150mm (275g) shell shot at 1026 meters per second. Though it’s an anti-aircraft shell, it can be used in air-to-ground, and allows Rafale to replace the Mirage F1 in Afgh.
The gun shoots 21 shells in 0.5 second or 42 in one second. This is set by the weapon specialist before take off. In flight, the pilot can choose the predefined burst or shoot a free burst (all the 125-shells magazine if needed).
The colonel Francois Moussez explains that during NATO exercises, Rafale has such a good range that it takes off before the others and land after.
During Tiger Meet and TLP, Rafale took off for strike missions, but were still capable to engage “enemy” interceptors on the way, turn back to strike missions, and once the job was done, finish to clean the sky. 😎
TMorIf there is I would like to know, I honestly would like to learn why people rate the Rafale greater AtoG.:)
Hum… What a pity ! It’s off topic 😀
TMorAhem, Tmor, at the risk of asking too much, would you mind disclosing what you keep so close to your heart about the Rafale. I’m a superfan of said beauty and would like to know. Would understand however, if you cannot share the same. Thanks
regards,
USS.
Uss_Novice, i’m not “in the know”. I’m just a enthousiast (like you ?), and i had the chance to find an interesting man. The good one, actually. I’m not sure i can disclose what i “know” (i may be wrong), but my source is a very interesting man, and obviously is “in the know” (about Rafale, but not necessarily on our topic !!! maybe he just lied).
I let anyone believe what i write or not. I really don’t care.
I’ll just use what i know, or what i believe i know, to comment upon what we know (or what we believe we know) about the Typhoon :
What i can tell you is that a single Typhoon facing 3 F-16 isn’t a interesting scenario. Two Typhoon against 3 F-16 would be more interesting (I mean more “reallistic”).
At least, in the unsigned article “Eastern Smile”, it’s said that the Typhoon faced 6 F-16 and F-5, and not “alone”.
Though BAe and Eurofighter will not confirm any details, it is believed that the two aircraft flew 28 missions, totalling 35 flying hours, during the course of which the aircraft convincingly demonstrated its air-to-air capabilities, first against a pair of F-16s and then against a package of 6 F-5S and F-16C/D aircraft.
2 on 2. Ok. Funny.
2 on 6. Ok. Still funny.
We really have no details, for example : among the 6 fighters, how many F-5S ? How many F-16s ? What was the purpose of the F-5S ?
Were the two Typhoon pitted against more than 6, in any of the 28 missions ??? “totalling 35 flying hours” each ? 😀
So, i repeat, the story with the single Typhoon shooting 3 F-16 is funny, because (to me it’s irrelevant) we have no idea of what really happened.
I’m sorry for not “disclosing” what i believe are facts (and anyway, doesn’t help me concluding which of Typhoon and Rafale performed better).
TMorTaking out two of the so called “worlds best fighter aircraft” aint half bad in a 15% opperational capability, two seat training aircraft, when two f-15 attacked it.
In singapore the typhoon was the ONLY one to kill 3 F-16s therefore you know the rafale did not; maybe two, maybe one:dev2:
When you say “supercruise how the sings wanted”, do you mean demonstrated supercruise, mach 1.2 with a full air to air configured aircraft is “surprisingly” what they wanted. Not a now and again, if the weathert is right, supercrusing rafale.
Regarding a performance note demonstrated at singapore was a typhoon vertical climb from takeoff to a very high alttiude, maybe 40k ft plus. (need to chack for exact altitude) which apprantely really impressed the singapore airforce pilots.
I know the literature. 😉
Very well. But i don’t see more than 1 or 2 sources for it.
Then,
“worlds best fighter aircraft” if it’s the way you call the F-15 (in dogfight), this makes me laugh. Sorry. F-15, in a dogfight is an heavy fighter. Nothing comparable against a Typhoon, a Rafale, or even against a Mirage 2000.
In singapore the typhoon was the ONLY one to kill 3 F-16s therefore you know the rafale did not
The only thing I know is that Rafale played an other scenario, which, to me, is much more impressive, and it did it even with its poor RBE-2. I keep this one for my personal satisfaction. And the man who told me this just had no idea (before i showed him the article after) of what the Eurofighter had done, so he really told me the Rafale story sincerely.
Yes, the Rafale didn’t kill 3 F-16. But if the Typhoon could do this, then, believe me, this is not the impressive part of the scenario, and i think that whether we still ignore 90% of the scenario, or the Typhoon really did nothing interesting by shooting down 3 F-16.
So, i’m repeating, these claims aren’t really impressive, in addition, they may be exaggerated, or truth may be distorted. Be careful.
The truth is elsewhere.:D
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