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August 4, 2007 at 12:33 am in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon news #2522671

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But they do get a bit carried away sometimes, and a lot of them are unwilling to admit any weakness, failing, or inferiority, or they will say that they will acknowledge weaknesses and then fail to do so.

ROFLMAO 😀 😀 😀

Oh oh oh ! Man ! You’re so funny.

Please, Jon/Jack, keep on topic, stop repeating again and again that French are too proud of their Rafale, and nationalistic blocks blabla… Your comments are extremely silly, boring, offending, useless, whim-proving, false, and off topic (MY topic ! !! !:( 🙁 🙁 ).

AFTER ALL, one may realize soon that you, again, came to tell every one that :
-the Rafale is a great great aircraft
–but French are too touchy
-Typhoon is better.
I want to be sure that you understand me Jack/Jon : the problem isn’t the Rafale : it’s your speech about French.

Let’s go back to the Typhoon.
Thank you European, for providing us with your article about the IRST.
C’est le genre de choses que j’attendais. 😉

August 2, 2007 at 1:48 pm in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon news #2523133

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Then, if possible and not that costly, the interesting questions would be :
-what would be the MTOW ?
-bring back capability ?
-safety for landing ? (my understanding is that the landing would be driven by a very accurate autopilot, but what if it fails ?)

At what speed would such a Typhoon land ? What AoA ?

etc…

August 1, 2007 at 9:43 am in reply to: How does the Eurofighter Helmet Mounted Sight compare to US and Rafale systems? #2523487

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This is getting pathetic, guys, it’s starting to look as though some of you will defend any short-sighted decision or problem on a French jet, regardless of logic or fact.

Jack, again, i simply failed to make you understand me.

I believe that we actually agree on this point. The fact is that HMS ISN’T a priority for the Rafale. That doesn’t mean that the Rafale does not NEED it, it means that other more useful stuffs must be integrated before.

And OF COURSE, “It’s always better to have it than not to.” I would even say “much better”.

You’re true, it’s getting pathetic, and i won’t try again.;)

July 31, 2007 at 8:35 pm in reply to: How does the Eurofighter Helmet Mounted Sight compare to US and Rafale systems? #2523635

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TMor, You’re swallowing apologist’s propaganda. It’s UTTER nonsense.

:rolleyes:
If you had understood what i wrote, if you had only an idea of where it comes from, my friend, ‘old chum’, i’m sure you would feel sorry for having used those words.
I wish you sweet dreams Jack.;)
Nice article though.

July 31, 2007 at 5:09 pm in reply to: How does the Eurofighter Helmet Mounted Sight compare to US and Rafale systems? #2523716

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But then if your chosen helmet solution doesn’t work, or is dropped for budgetary reasons, you’re almost bound to justify the decision by pretending that it “wasn’t useful anyway.”

It sounds obvious, but when asked about the lack of such an helmet, Rafale pilots’ concerns are more about the fact that they loose the navigation data when they don’t look straight in front of them (HUD). Why ? Because in modern conflicts, for AdA, there are not many “opportunity” targets, due to RoE, that would be treated better with an HMS. L16 is enough. And HMS isn’t a priority.

July 31, 2007 at 2:55 pm in reply to: How does the Eurofighter Helmet Mounted Sight compare to US and Rafale systems? #2523789

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The Topsight-E (i think Topowl-F is its new name) is ready to go with some Mirage 2000 and integrated on indian MiG-29K.
But it would still need some integration work for the Rafale. (sorry, sometime i really wonder if my grammar is good or not 😀 😀 😀 )

Do you know what factors will determine this?

I have no idea.
The only official fact is that the Rafale F3 won’t get its helmet mounted sight system as it was previously planned (for 2008). The helmet has been dropped, and hasn’t been ordered at all up to now. It should happen, but simply not yet.
And in a book published recently, the Topsight-E/Topowl-F was referred as being the Rafale’s HMS, instead of the Gerfaut. Maybe the author of this book wrote a mistake, and this is why i wrote “may replace”. 😉

I’m afraid we won’t hear about the HMS on Rafale until an export customer ask for it. :confused:

Pictures here :
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1130817&postcount=786
I think that the Topsight-E and the Topowl-F are actually the same :
Thales’ Topowl-F

July 31, 2007 at 2:09 pm in reply to: How does the Eurofighter Helmet Mounted Sight compare to US and Rafale systems? #2523801

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Thank you mowers.

But the problem is that finally, the Gerfaut has been dropped, will not equip the Rafale F3, and yet has to be (re)ordered for later batches.
And according to latest news :
-the Thales Topsight-E (or Topowl-F) may replace it for France
-for export, an israeli solution may be prefered…
That’s all i can tell you, sorry. It seems that the DGA (délégation générale pour l’armement) has a problem with Sagem, but i don’t really know.

July 30, 2007 at 6:12 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2524197

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Thank you. 😉
The Colonel François Moussez is really funny. 😀

July 30, 2007 at 1:51 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2524232

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Finally the Rafale found a new first customer in Libya after the new deal between Sarkozy and Kadhafi?

Salut Tmor 😉

We still don’t know. Be sure to be informed as soon as we know. 😉

July 30, 2007 at 1:45 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2524234

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Not 3 seconds. It is 20 seconds according to an officer of the French Air Force (I think it was on France2 during the Bastille Day retransmission).

Thank you, i missed it… Are you sure ?

20 seconds, really impressive though.

July 28, 2007 at 2:55 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2524654

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Well Romania’s budget for the 48 new air planes is 4.5 billion euros including weapons, training and spare parts. That should be enough for the Rafale, shouldn’t it ? The eurofighter offer includes everything for this price and the latest version (block 3) with improved AG capabilities.
By the way, Romania was operating the Magic 2 missiles and the Durandal so it has some experience with french weapons. My favorite is the Rafale and the Eurofighter for this deal.
As for the F16, no please no…. When I see what happend to the poor poles with their brand new f16…

France pays 113 millions per aircraft. This cost include the spare parts, simulators, everything wich is about the Rafale for 30 years, but with no weapons.
For 48 aircraft, it would make 5,424billions €. lol…
With 4,5 billion, it makes ~94million per fighter… And this should include the weapons… But after all, I don’t know how Dassault intend to answer to the proposal.

July 23, 2007 at 10:22 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2526177

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Thanks for the information, andrei, your article is a bit difficult to translate. 😀 😉

For 2010, the best Rafale available will be the F3.
This mean that it will the same as for French AdA
– engine M88-2 E4 of 50kN/75kN(AB)
-OSF (first generation)
-RBE-2 PESA with all modes (cartography, SAR, air-sea, all)
-all the weapons : gun, Mica EM+IR, AASM, GBU-12/22/24 (maybe EPW) with Damocles pod, Scalp if offered, recce capability, Exocet, (and nuke, but probably not offered 😀 ).

If required, AESA and upgraded M88 may come later… (2012 for the AESA)

July 18, 2007 at 1:42 pm in reply to: Rafale news II : we go on #2527849

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The Mk83 is the 1,000lbs (~484kg) bomb, and the Mk84 is the 2,000lbs (~970kg).

And so, the picture show the different AASM : 125kg, 250kg, 500kg, 1000kg (+guidance and propulsion kit).

July 15, 2007 at 8:04 pm in reply to: RAF Eurofighter Typhoons and IAF Su-30 MKIs Match-Up to Their Potentials In Their Fir #2531178

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Also, can we conclude that the simulated combat BAe made (I don’t remember the name) which the EF encountered the Su-35 and would smash the Flanker :rolleyes: by 8:1 was totally BS !

1-Joust simulated BVR engagements.
2-Combat eventually ended in dogfights.

But there are rumors that the MKI didn’t even used their radars during this exercise.

Contrary to what happens during Garudas exercises in France/India, we have absolutly no results about what happened here.

I think we can draw no conclusion.

July 13, 2007 at 11:25 pm in reply to: Strong winds from Europe – Rafale vs Typhoon #2531600

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If the Typhoon wants to detect the Rafale and yet remain undetected it will have to use the Pirate, and then it comes to whichever’s IRST/TV is better than the other’s.

And to wich aircraft is already looking in the right direction. 😀
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