I am not sure if I follow? The company brochures normally refers to the latest version which according to the magazines have support for a2a, so I don’t see a discrepancy? Or are you referring to something else?
Come to think of it, you are probably correct, although, technically speaking i dont see why a thermal system can detect ground target but not air targets, well may be old version of Litening don’t have automatic searching mode i guess
Or have half of the T-Xs equipped with radars to lower cost, the other half would be used as AMRAAM launchers for the others. To defend a base against cruise missiles, they could be loaded up with dual launchers ( 8 per plane ).
Or you can use normal fighters like F-16,F-15,F-18,F-22,F-35 for that role
How about “The Military Aviation Folder” (me), sorry i tried lol
Actually it seems to “care”; it seems only the latest generation of Litening supports air-to-air mode:
IMHO, information from company brochure probably a bit more accurate compared to magazines
Not gonna lie, this thread is actually much better because you guys arguing
as there where no questions about the picture i don’t see the problem. But for the good order……. Is there someone here that doesn’t know what is happening with the plane in the picture?
I would assume that the aircraft is folding its wing back?
No Nic its even simpler than that. You don’t fire at an aircraft you haven’t identified as a para-dropper or bomber. That Buk didnt defend the rebels did it?. It killed hundreds of innocent people. You do not have the right to do that!. So the moral of the story is ‘if you dont know what you are shooting at don’t shoot’ that goes even in time of war.
If you misidentify the aircraft, as can happen, then you hold your hands up and say ‘you know what….we got that wrong…..really sorry’ and you pay the penalty deemed equal to your crime. None of this is complicated.
Agree, but then even if the Rebel did it, i dont think there is any way to make them pay
Yes
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/LITENING/Documents/litening.pdf
The new Litening 4G is even better than Sniper-XR ATP, or so i heard
Didn’t the Gripen E get heavier than expected or sth?
With all that “active stealth”, it’s funny that you never hear of them ruling the skies at Red Flag :stupid:
So tempting to correct OP but then considered what he always post (a combination of inductive reasoning and confirmatory bias) , i cant be bothered LOL.
OK, how exactly does it work? I understand it has laser spot tracking which is great for A-G but virtually useless for A-A..
It is an infrared system , infrared system doesnot care targets is on ground or on the air.
And thermal system doesn’t use laser spot tracker for air to air but rather laser range finder
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So in conclusion
at subsonic up to Mach 0.9 , Mig-29 has better climb performance than Typhoon due to higher thrust (variable inlet ) and approximately similar drag which result in more excess power
at transonic to supersonic up to mach 1.5 ,Mig-29 still has higher thrust due to variable inlet but Typhoon can still fly faster because its drag increase at slower rate compared to Mig-29 ? ( due to the delta configuration ) ?
Harrier is a flying brick with no energy-maneuverability just because its way slower than typhoon, in fact its overall dogfighting performance was superior againist Mirage-5s and Mirage IIIs.
I dont have flight manual for either Harrier or Mirage 5 or III , but are you sure Harrier is better ?
It has proven itself against fighters having used radar illumination as the only possible means of providing a target solution. Hardly a coincidence.. Someone wanted very much to see this fighter prevail..
Both F-15E and F-16 have sniper-XR though
Andraxx is taking his Values out from Mig-29 9.12 flight manual.
It should be clear to anyone what kind of compromise that Mig Variant has.
To name but a few, very limited fuel capasity. Engines that are designed and constructured for running quite hot, hense lots of dynamic power, but poor TBO cycles and overall life on engines and airframe.
The Mig was optimize on weight, which also means its internal strenght was somewhat reduced. Also the brute quality of its production itself, not even taking into account electronics/avionics..
Its main requirements was towards Kinematic performance mixed with a well placed Aerodynamic layout.But, really.. if one are to compair them, then it should be EF vs Mig-35.
Don’t get me wrong. There are still things the Mig-35 will never do vs Mig-29 9.12.
But overall the Mig-35 is a better jet, vs its older cusin.
It is heavier, and has larger wings. But it also has sharp LERX and more thrust, and far more fuel going.
I see your point , but it still bother me why Typhoon didnt have LERX or a variable inlet , seem to improve kinematic alot without losing much anything ( may be 100-200 kg weight ? )
A valid question. I think its not a either one or the other, but both;
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As you can see on the graph on the left, MiG-29 has varying a Cd = 0,027 at M0,9, it has Cd = 0,05 at transonic, dropping down to Cd=0,047 at M1,4. That is simply too much Cd0 for us to talk about supersonic optimization. While Typhoon will have Cd0 ballpark similar to MiG-29 at supersonic, it being a delta could mean much lower Cd0 at supersonic speeds.
Flying at M1,2 @ 8000m would produce 6955 kg force of drag. MiG-29 has only around 6000kgs of dry thrust. 16% more thrust required.
Flying at M1,4 @ 8000m would produce 9086 kg force of drag. MiG-29 has only around 7000kgs of dry thrust. 29% more thrust required.If EJ-200 behaves similarly to RD-33 on dry thrust (if designed for supercruise, it should perform even better on dry thrust), it already has 20% more dry thrust. Reduction in Cd0 by 30-40% at supersonic speeds is entirely plausible for Typhoon, so despite having inferior inlet performance, its not improbable that Typhoon can supercruise and MiG-29 can’t.
This is what confuse me , if the varible inlet allow superior thrust performance on Mach 0.9 range , shouldnt the same thing happend supersonic ? .Since it is very unlikely that Typhoon intake would be optimized for supersonic rather than subsonic IMHO