Of course current pilot say both planes are wonderful. With the political climate in Washington if they didnt, they would be thrown out of the service!!!!
If that was the case we would never got a single bad record about the F-35, but the fact of the matter is we did got a few complaint about the aircraft when the program is still early in its testing phase, just now that the problems are fixed that we received more good new. Moreover, many pilots that compliment the F-35 did not served in USAF either
Richthofen’s opinion surely would be more valuable than some random internet armchair expert .
Nic
May be, may be not, depending on what we are talking about, if it is purely about visual range dogfight then you got a point, but if it is about others aspect of air combat then not necessarily. Yeager and Richtofen are pilots not engineers, they should be very knowledgeable about the aircraft they flied and similar aircraft at around the same time period, but it is unlikely that they would be familiar with what was designed decades after they already retired where new system appeared and new tactics has been developed based on these systems. Moreover, while they may be more knowledgeable than the general public, it is unlikely that they are also knowledge than hundreds engineers, pilots, general who were involved with the program
These types of comparisons lead to non-productive p*ssing contests.
I find it rather interesting because in this kind of thread sometimes we get to read very interesting and informative post from knowledgeable people like Andraxxus
I guess I would rather believe a stick jockey than computer key board jockeys that post here.
The more correct sentence would be ” you would rather believe whatever support your pre judgements”. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is a pilot but rather that his opinion fit your agenda. There are many current pilots that prefer F-35 and F-22 over their 4 gen fighter, and their opinions is as valid as Yeager opinion (if not more valid)
IMHO if combat radius being equalized
in term of acceleration it probably go like Typhoon > F-15C > F-15E > rafale= F-16 =Mig-29 =gripen > su-27
in term of sustained turn rate at low altitude it probably go like Su-27 > rafale > F-16 = Typhoon =gripen = mig-29 > F-15C > F-15E
in term of sustained turn rate at high altitude it probably go like Typhoon > Su-27 > F-15C> F-15E > Mig-29 > Rafale = F -16 = Gripen
Though if we know their respective lift coefficient it would be easier to compare
Maybe an IRST integrated on the plane instead than on a fuel tank?.
IRCC , the first aircraft with IRST in the airframe is F-102 then F-8 then mig-29 , su-27 ,F-14A , F-14D some F-16 and F-15 version also have IRST in the airframe
High AoA maneouvering?.
many aircraft can do that before the eurocannard such as Su-27 , Mig-29 , F-18C/D , F-18E/F
SMT interception capabilities?
Not sure what is this ,tbh
integrated data and sensor fusion?
quite sure that F-18E/F and F-16 E/F have them too
pretorian DASS ? HCS ? Spectra?
I dont think that is a valid argument , how is DASS , spectra any better than DEWS , Falcon edge and IDECM ? they are rather similar in term of capabilities imho
PESA and later Aesa radar on Rafale,
IRCC First aircraft that have PESA are the mig-31 B-2 and B-1, first with AESA probably the F-18E/F , the eurocanard only get ESA array quite recently
high boresight IR missiles operatives ten years before AIM-9X,,
First high off boresight IR missiles entered service the R-73 then the Python-4 used on Israrel F-15 and F-16
gimballing and not fixed AESA radars? .
This i agree
As long as the shape of parts (fuselage parts) stays the same as before, but then they change it into a favorable stronger/lighter composite/super alloy, they do not necessarily need the change anything else.
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Sorry but i have to trim in abit . The problem with mechanic is not as straightforward as we would like it to be, there are more about a material rather than just strength and weight. There are mainy others factors that you have to consider like yield strength ,specific strength ,modulus of elasticity , heat resistance and so on. It rather impossible to come up with a new material that is superior to the old one in every single aspect,thus testing is a must. Take for example a common table comparision of carbon fiber and alluminium
The first look at the table will give you the impression that carbon fiber is far superior to alluminium in all aspect, however it is important to remember that all properties are at room temperature. Environmental conditions have a great effect on carbon composites ( If temperature goes up above 150 F, carbon fiber epoxy composite properties will be reduced somewhat whereas the steel and aluminum properties will remain the same).High humidity with heat will have an even greater effect. Moreover,the value above is for a single-direction , while carbon fiber needs to be layered in multiple directions (Otherwise all the fibers will be going in one direction and the material will be prone to splitting because there will be no strength in the cross-wise direction, just like wood veneer. If you layer carbon fiber in such as way as to have most uniform properties { aka “quasi-isotropic” laminate} you will end up with overall properties rather similar to aluminum.
That is just an example ,but you can see that chaging airframe material canbe rather complex and costly
Great site GarryA! Just expand a little further the one about areodinamics, please.
Just to explain things about High AoA, supermaneovreaubility, post stall maneuvering and so on.
Actually, the post about aircraft flight was my first blog post ,but it is very short compared to others subject because it is still unfinished , i will finish it in the future but for the moment i need to do more research about it since the field is wide and rather complex.
It doesn’t “good” to me, it looks great! 🙂
Thanks GarryA for putting this together, well done!!!
Thanks for your kind words 😀 i will try to keep it up
Like loke said, it looks great, the gif load a little bit slow at first, but all web browser have cache so it wouldn’t be a problem in my opinion. But if you still concerned about the load speed then you can convert them to gifv instead of gif, reduce files size dramatically.Alternatively, you can convert them to BPG
So i followed your suggestion and was able to convert GIF to BPG using this https://www.reaconverter.com/convert/gif_to_bpg.html software , the files size reduced significantly from 19 MB to just over 500 KB, too bad though WordPress doesnt recognize .BPG files type and neither is most software in my laptop, I already tried to convert GiF to GiFv but WordPress doesnt allow me to upload video. Anyways i optimized the GIF abit , reduce their colour and resolution a tiny bit so now the front page is only half the size ( 10.1 MB now as opposed to 19.5 MB before so hopefully the loading time would be more bearable ( unless you are from Australia , in which case the loading time would be enomous for some weird reason that i havent been able to figure out why )
So i just tweak the display of the website abit , changed some pictures to gif so that it look better , but iam abit worried that it may take too long to load , so can someone try and tell me if the front pages load speed is acceptable ? https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/
TBH the traffic actually not that bad
I think Russian might get satisfied even with matching current turn rates as long as the supersonic performance gets improved significantly
Well, PAKFA top speed and cruise speed, is slower than mig-31, mig-25, it’s top speed is also slower than Su-27, it’s supersonic combat radius is inferior to mig-31, Tu-22 too so technically speaking if you want you can also claim that it’s supersonic performance is inferior to legacy fighters. It all matter of perspective
.. I don’t think ANYONE could complain about the flying abilities of the F-35 if it had a supersonic performance of a Typhoon or better..
It not important whether anyone would complaint or not, what important is how useful that capabilities will be, if F-35 was designed to have similar performance as typhoon then it very likely that it would have very short combat radius on internal fuel. For a simple analogy, the old dual core i5 HQ in your laptop is ways more powerful than the newest quad core Snapdragon 800 in your phone , so why dont they put the core i5 in smart phone so that they will get even more processing power? That because using such powerful CPU, they would consume so much electricity that the battery wouldn’t last more than 5 minutes, all the extra processing power mean nothing if your phone cant even last half a day. Similar for fighter than turning 1-2 degree faster or fly 0.2-0.3 mach faster mean nothing if you cannot reach target area
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Sufficient for a tactical aircraft but I don’t believe it will be able to match 4th gen aircrafts. No wonder it remains very shy at air shows after all those years…the few public demonstrations completely fall behind other 4th gen aircrafts.
I disagree
F-35 only started to go to air show very recently, and it actually done pretty well
https://youtu.be/7XeViHEWzLk
From 2:44-2:51 ( or 7 seconds) , it finished a 180 degrees turn, that equal to average turn rate of 25.7 degrees/second, among all the new fighter i actually found PAKFA and Typhoon airshow performance a bit underwhelming compare to the their fame, that being said, however air show performance is not the same as war performance
Negative. With massive amount of lift, massive redundancy of moving surfaces*, high AoA design, there are no reason for that value to be inferior to that of the Su27.
every single things you listed can also be said about Su-35, massive amounts of lift, high AoA.. etc, and while PAKFA may got more lift, it is also heavier, this may be another similar case of F-15C vs F-22
I am guessing Russians won’t need polls regd. whether the T-50 flies better than a MiG or an Su-25 because that’s freaking self-explanatory.. My $0.02 only..
The similar comparison for Russian would be T-50 vs Su-35 and Mig-29SMT, to be completely honest, at the moment there is no evidence that T-50 would have better sustain / instantaneous turn rate than Su-27 in all parts of flight envelope, and IMHO it would be hard for that happen especially since they are around the same size and T-50 would need to be more dense ( internal weapons bay, RAM and what not)