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  • in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2184747
    garryA
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    The vital parts like engines are not just protected against 12.7mm rounds but 23mm HE-F shells. They have two layers to protect each engine and one seperation/heat shield that seperates engine blocks from gearbox so one penetration or after effect such as fire does not screw up gearbox along with the engine. It is certainly not immune to projectile fire, but it isn’t particulary just against 12.7mm. There are angles it is barely protected but from most angles it is very well protect just like the wide seperated engines on Apache are pretty well protected.

    To the later part yes and no. It isn’t as black and white as one might think. The Americans for Apache aswell russians use for their Hinds, Havocs, Gators/Sharks use outer skin the airframe itself made of aluminium alloy. It is thick at the cockpit and thins out at the avionics bay, cockpit withstands easily 12.7mm without cracks, the mid section is thinner, it can penetrate but it still provides most of the time protection since rounds usually come with flat trajectory, even tho Hinds have been penetrated some times, but not majority of the hundreds of rounds which could be seen on almost every Hind in Afghanistan. The tailboom section of all helicopters is always unprotected, for ballance and weight reasons. The only part that is protected is the tail rotor and tail rotor shaft by casing for 7.62mm maybe 12.7mm with good luck. The tail rotors themselfs are composite and can sustain penetration/non penetrations without shattering.

    The A-129 has only cockpit section as one core armor layout while Apache and Havoc have 2-3 layers, the mid section is double walled aluminium alloy while A-129/EC-665 completley lose their Nomex cockpit armor at their mid section for simple thin single wall armor. This is also part of the reason why Tiger’s here in germany have been upgraded with ASGARD which provide ballistical shield for cockpits made of steel alloy rather than the thin GFK/Nomex.

    Just look at the A-129 and how thin the armor is, a single door from Mi-28 is thicker than both sides of the cockpit of the Mangusta. The Mangusta is the worst because of its entire cockpit layout. A big concern the americans have had was crashworthiness since lot of engagements also malfunctions happened where the pilots could crash land and injuries on Cobras have been some times fatally which Apache improved significantly. The A-129 has almost no space beneath the Pilots seats, which greatly reduces structural weak points to be used to compensate for the high G-loads. Also much less space to fit armor or at least use some of the structure as armor.

    It is a smaller object to be hit, but the armor content for high projectiles, which miliatries and dedicated SPAAG’s use to favor and only grow in recent years and near future will not be even capable to stop fragments of such rounds let alone direct hits. You are not wrong in the sense of surface that can be hit, but the results from different calibres are not in favor of A-129 nor Tiger.

    Yes, from Military point of view, the problem however is enemy is not stupid to position their Anti Aircraft assets and perimeter protection without camoflauging, when they have this option they will use it.

    You will never find a helicopter nor any other plattform that will all the time 100% accuracy see enemies before entering their detection and later their engagement range. Reality is cruel, if helicopter crews do not get sufficient intel from 2nd and 3rd eyes they are most likely to run into enemies and will only realize it after they have been under fire. It was always like that and it will not change that easily.

    The heat output is also a myth by many. The Heat from Attack Helicopters under 20°C reach from 300-330°C. The lowest are for AH-2, Mi-28 and the lowest of all RAH-66 ..

    Do you have any source for any of these?

    in reply to: These methods avoid radar #2184841
    garryA
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    reduced reaction time, two ways of skinning a cat, but it works better in conjunction
    watch analysis from 37 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqgfjXaJxV8

    yes, but regardless, OP still badly wrong

    in reply to: These methods avoid radar #2185042
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    Reduced ability to detect, tracking by radar, with super speed. This was demonstrated by MiG-25 vs SR-71, at now we have MiG-31 and SR-71

    You mixed it up, faster targets are often much easier to detect and track because their return got bigger Doppler shift

    in reply to: Missile kill ratios… #2185548
    garryA
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    Real life isnot the same as a video game, do anyone here know about Russian roulette? technically speaking you got 80% chance of survival when you pulled the trigger, but still not many people willing to try their luck

    in reply to: The aircraft fighter Gen 4.5 is stealth model ? #2185883
    garryA
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    F-15SE is just a mock up none was bought as far as i know
    ATD-X is stealthy but just a technology demonstrator that not intended to go into service as a fighter
    J-10D and Su-35S are similar ( basically Flanker airframe) both use some minor RCS reduction methods similar to HAVE GLASS I / II program for F-16, you cant really call them stealth either.

    in reply to: How to sinking Battleship WW2 in today ? #2193313
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    nuclear warhead fit in even the smallest missiles nowadays so if the requirement is there pretty much any modern missiles can be modified slightly to destroy Battle ship in one hit
    Without any modifications then stuff like GBU-28, ASMP, JASSM.. etc should do the job alright

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2200548
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    It seems me all so partial: what means narrow search mode?
    How +/- degrees in both azimuth and elevation? Or it just means that they keep the antenna dish fixed forward?

    In general cued search mode often mean the beam is narrower for more concentrated power, that will improve detection range but increase scanning time for total FoV.

    Or at the contrary given that the Su-35 antenna can gimbal (main reason because Russians still have a crush for PESA) 😕

    No, both PESA and AESA can steer their beam electronically, the mechanical steering thingy on Irbis-e is to improve it’s total FoV

    And they just cite the Grave Stone radar for S-400? It is just a targeting radar, search functions are made by the 91N6E radar and there will be also Nebo-m above them.
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    search radar have wide resolution cell so they are not very suitable for targeting or missiles guide purpose

    in reply to: Antenna choices #2200884
    garryA
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    Inverse cassegrain antenna’s secondary reflector does not have to move. The secondary reflector on Sapfir 23 is the antenna’s shroud itself.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Sapfir-23_Hu_Szolnok_1.jpg

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    Shouldn’t the antenna cover be transparent to radiowave so that radar beam can pass through? or only part of it is reflective?

    in reply to: Antenna choices #2200903
    garryA
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    we’re already have cassegrain antenna with offset feed since 1960’s on some Russian radars.

    Sapfir 23.

    http://toad-design.com/migalley/wp-content/gallery/equipment/mig25-sapfir25-radar.jpg

    Iam quite sure the one in pictures is offset parabolic design rather than offset cassegrain type, there is no secondary reflector in front of the feed

    in reply to: Antenna choices #2200965
    garryA
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    @stealth flanker: do you know why most antenna that use offset feed are gregorian or parabolic while Cassegrain design always use centre feed ? iam able to find some papers talking about hypothetical offset cassegrain antenna but never see a physical one and iam not sure about the reason ,they seem equally technical flexible for me

    garryA
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    Cause they didn’t do stripped down variants of either of those. The P-42 had so much avionics removed that its T:W was coming close to 2.

    According to the website, the climb record was done by P-42, however the speed record was done by Su-27 (595)
    which is this aircraft below, it dont have a radar and IRST or wing tip ECM pod but the rest of the aircraft is similar to a normal Su-27, it even have a TVC nozzle
    https://s32.postimg.org/72ot4o52d/image.jpg
    http://estrellaroja-fotos.blogspot.com/2012/03/flankers-sukhoi-su-27-p.html?m=1

    garryA
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    snip.

    Andraxxus, what do you think about the first and second record ?
    http://su-27.com/info/records/

    I asked an engineer about the record, and here is what he said

    The record did not say how much fuel was consumed in the attempt. The 540nm distance covered in 0.58hr means that if 19000lb of fuel were used than the Su-27 would have had a fuel flow of just under 33000pph or a specific range of 0.028nm/lb.

    Edit 1: 19,000lb of fuel is unlikely as the aircraft has to take off, climb, and accelerate while still having fuel to land. 15,000 is more likely giving just under 26,000pph or 0.036nm/lb.

    Edit 2:
    An F-22 starting with 14,000 pounds of fuel and going until 1,000 remains ( Accounting for take-off, climb, acceleration, and having a base/tanker nearby for the attempt) flying at the same speed and alittude averages 19,000pph and 0.0483nm/lb meaning that for the 13,000 pounds of fuel used it could travel for 0.684 hrs (41 minutes) and 627.9nm (1,162.8km).

    An F-35A starting with 13,260 pounds and going until 1,000 remains flying at the same speed and altitude averages 38,044pph and 0.0241nm/lb meaning that for the 12,260 pounds of fuel used it could travel for 0.322 hrs (19 minutes) and 295nm (546km)

    An F-15C starting with 10,233 pounds and going until 1,000 remains flying at the same speed and altitude averages 45,000pph and 0.0204nm/lb meaning that for the 9,233 pounds of fuel used it could travel for 0.205 hrs (12 minutes) and 188nm (348km)

    Looking at the afterburning fuel flows of the Eagle and the Stubby-A I am really questioning the fuel burn on these Su-27 runs. The record does not list any altitude information so stating it was all done at a given altitude is fairly meaningless. The Raptor would far outrange the Flanker, and while I can still imagine the Flanker outraging the Eagle due to the difference in fuel load alone I would also not be too surprised by it outranging the F-35A due to more excess thrust at said speed to be able to climb to higher altitudes.

    If we assume that the speed is the key factor than an acceleration at FL360 would have the F-35A starting the speed run with 13,621 pounds of fuel and would use 7,672 more to climb to FL510 over 162 miles at which point it is burning 24,000pph or 0.0382nm/lb meaning that with the remaining 4,949 pounds of fuel (to get to 1,000 pounds remaining) it would go 189nm further in addition to the 162nm done in climb for a total of 351nm (650km).

    Given that 1.6M is the design point for the F-35 (fixed inlets) while the Su-27 is rated for 2.35M (variable inlets) it comes as no surprise that the Su-27 would be able to climb more quickly at 1.6M to quite possibly an even higher altitude (reducing drag and thus fuel burn required to maintain the speed). Keep in mind that a 2,200 pound payload for an Su-27 is little more than two Alamo’s with Pylons and tip Archers while for the F-35A it is six AIM-120s.

    I am being reminded of why I was such a “fanboi” over the Flankers kinematics 18 years ago. “Oh my gosh, this plane beat all the Streak Eagles records!”

    garryA
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    Because both, the sr-71 and mig-31 belong to other weight class, records are classified by weight groups.

    Fair enough, but what do the record mean? for example the first record, does it mean the Su-27 maintained a average speed of 1718 km/h over the distance of 1000 km, do it includes take off, climb and landing? or does that mean the Su-27 accelerated to 1718 km/h then slowed down to optimum speed to finish 1000 km distance? what altitude was it crusing at? did the Su-27 used internal fuel only or did it have external fuel tank?, do you have any more details information about the record?

    garryA
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    ..I’m sure Flanker pilots aren’t, just take a look at the Flanker FAIs records…

    http://su-27.com/info/records/

    Iam a bit skeptical how can Su-27 hold the record of speed and distance when we have something like Mig-31, SR-71?

    garryA
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    F-15E does not have EA-18G type version of with giant pods integerated aerodynamically into wings

    F-15 have internal EW system

    my statement is always accurate unlike yours..

    given the history of you 2, i think your statement is quite ironic

    http://www.boeing.com/defense/f-15-strike-eagle/#/technical-specifications

    Are you aware that the 20 tons take off including fuel and weapons already ?, and what even make you think the 20 tonage is not include the radar ?

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