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  • in reply to: Su-57 News and Discussion -version_we_lost_count!- #2138082
    garryA
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    Ah man I am afraid I might rekindle an old fire causing arguements to explode again which depends how many critics are in this thread because my statements and questions might not be to their liking.

    I am bringing up this old catalog again………..

    You didn’t bring that up again because you want to learn the answer or to see others’s opinions, you brought that up again because you want to see confirmation of your beliefs. That won’t happen unfortunately, not until you change your perspective.

    garryA
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    AV-8B Harrier EM diagram
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    http://jyito.com/Master_FSG.pdf

    garryA
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    This come as such a surprise for me, I didn’t expect Mirage iii to be such a dog
    http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=27785&mode=view

    garryA
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    BTW, HAVE FERRY/HAVE DRILL used F-5A to test instead of F-5E, F-5E has better instantaneous turn rate but worse sustain turn rate
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    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2138916
    garryA
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    The F-35 that was hit in Syria didn’t have a luneberg lense on. And it was in the same territory that an F-16i was downed. So it was no fluke

    No F-35 was hit in Syria. Basically, an Syrian S-200 attacked an Israeli strike squadron (most likely F-15I or F-16I). Syrian quickly claimed a direct hit, Israel claim nothing hit and they destroyed the Sam site. Obviously, there will be a wreckage if anything was hit by S-200 missile, its warhead is 200 kg for God sake. But that doesn’t stop one Middle East conspiracy tabloid from linking that incident with a F-35 which collided with 2 stocks, weeks earlier, even though they have no evidences whatsoever, and Israel only has 4 F-35 pre-IOC by the time of claimed incident.

    garryA
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    I don’t have anything about MiG-19, but HAVE FERRY/HAVE DRILL series of test can give us a rough estimation of their comparative capability
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    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_51.PDF

    garryA
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    Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is no E-M diagram for F-8U or F-104 but they did a series of test for those aircraft against Mig-21F13 in HAVE DOUGHNUT program, and these comments seem telling
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    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_50.PDF

    garryA
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    I have some charts from F-5E manual, could be useful?
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    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2140726
    garryA
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    It is pointless to give instances of radar as nor you nor me have the actual figures, this type of discussion will lead nowhere. I am just putting into perspective the output argument, not dismissing it.

    This isn’t about any individual actual figures, this is about the “scaling” that come with having much smaller radar cross section. Assuming all things equals, F-35 will require 1% jamming output of Rafale, if their jamming output are similar then any radar’s burn-through distance against F-35 will be 10 times shorter than against Rafale. That a big advantage in most case.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2140736
    garryA
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    That’s not automatically an issue if your EW have sufficient output compared to the RCS of the aircraft. I don’t think there is an issue of power generation/cooling regarding Spectra for the rafale. Of course F35 lower RCS helps to be more efficient for EW but power generation/cooling doens’t seem to be a bottleneck on 4th gen jets as regards their own EW suite.

    Sufficient is a generic term that can’t tell the whole story. Sufficient for what exactly ? You need to define the requirements
    What kind of radar do you want to defeat? 9B-1348E , Irbis-E , 64N6E or SBX ? (more out put needed to go against more powerful radar)
    How many radar do you want to neutralize at the same time? 1 , 4 , 8 or 20 ? ( more output needed to go against higher number of radar)
    What burn-through distance do you expect? 250 km , 150 km , 80 km or 5 km ? ( significantly more output needed to reduce burn-through distance)

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2140795
    garryA
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    but generally speaking screwing radars use much less energy than simply blanking them

    Yes, smart jamming generally use less energy, but since J/S factor is always there, a stealth aircraft will always needs much lower power for jamming.

    Is the power needed rate limiting for drfm based jamming?

    It could be if you are up against something like SPY-1 or 64N6E. Just a side note, Drfm jamming is generally for self protection, for support/surpress jamming, you still need brute force.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2140839
    garryA
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    This WAS true for brutal jamming. The power to be emitted depends on the power expected to be received by the opponent. Far more complex to estimate. Generally speaking on offensive modes one tries to avoid any EM emission. Complex factors…

    It is true for all kind of jamming, brute force or smart. You need to generate a certain level of J/S for jamming to be effective ( different types of jamming/radar will require different level, but it is always there so the equation can’t change)
    https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/aesa-radar2.png?w=1200

    Equation from several pages ago:
    https://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=261061&d=1528944467

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2140887
    garryA
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    If it can, IF..
    Then both Jamming and Tr/Rc will be severely reduced as a stand alone capability. Not Even worth the hazzle.

    Mounting a huge escort jammer on a Su-34 type of platform and the all-directional self defensive jammer pods on Flankers will be much prefered capability, vs trying to make a “one in half baked all” package like we see on F-35.

    Even with physically separated antennas,when jamming in action, the receiver of jammer pod on Su-34 and Flanker will still be servedly reduced in sensitivity because radio beam doesn’t only go forward, besides Flankers required jamming signal thousands times more powerful than F-35
    https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/ttradar106.png

    Critics toward using AESA radar as jammer lies in the fact one can only do that in limited amount of frequency, remember that physical spacing of radiators and width of the TR modules determine your frequency range, plus it might be put the radar in danger of being exploited for passive geolocation or anti radiation missile attack

    AFAIK, there are patterns for ESA with board band jamming

    The transmit-receive cells are fully functional at broadband and narrow band radio frequencies. In the narrow band of 9.2 to 10.2 GHz, the active antenna system would operate as a radar system. In the broadband range of 2.0 GHz to 20.0 GHz the active antenna system is fully functional in electronic countermeasures and radio frequency jamming

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4823136

    When interleaving SAR, A2A and other mode, you can time share the radar because you know in advance when you need to transmit (and reserve some time to receive the reflected signal). If you’re tracking an aerial target at 150km, the radar needs a <10ms slice every few seconds, SAR likewise can be chopped and spread over a (relatively) long time (by definition a SAR imaging takes several seconds).

    But when you’re using DRFM jamming, you never know when your transmitter has to be ready. You detect a signal, digitize it and create copies that have to be sent right now. There is no scheduling, no planning, if you wait the signal you transmit will be out of the opponent radar window and useless.

    You can either divide APG-81 into sub-array (doable because it is AESA) with some operating as radar and a small part as jammer, or if you want to use the whole radar to transmit jamming waveform, then AN/ASQ-239 antenna can be used in receiving phase of radar signal, piece of cake, all sensors data are fused on F-35.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2141994
    garryA
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    https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=73924

    IMI Systems (formerly Israel Military Industries) and Israel Aerospace Industries have jointly developed a new long-range precision strike weapon suitable for use during stand-off-range attacks.

    Named Rampage, the supersonic weapon is 4.7m (15.4ft) long and has a total weight of 570kg (1,250lb). Its rocket and warhead performance and navigation suite enable the design to be deployed against high-value, well-protected targets with “utmost precision”, the companies say.
    Suitable for carriage by a broad range of aircraft types, including the Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter, the Rampage missile will be released from outside an area protected by air-defence systems.

    Potential targets include command and control sites, communication facilities, air bases, maintenance centres and critical infrastructure, the companies say.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israeli-partnership-develops-rampage-stand-off-missi-449358/

    The Israel Military Industries (IMS) and the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) are currently at the final development stages of a new air-to-surface missile—the Rampage.r
    The “Rampage” missile is designed to be launched from a fighter jet 150 km away from the target, meaning it will not be detected by the enemy’s detection and interception systems.
    Rampage air-to-surface missile
    Israel’s two big military industries have held over the past year joint experiments which have shown the “Rampage” is operational.
    The stand-off method—long-range artillery launching—has been used by the IAF for many years.
    The production process and sale of the 4.7-meter long missile—that weighs half a ton including its rocket engine, and has a relatively small warhead that weighs some 150 kg—will commence during the upcoming year.
    The Israel Air Force (IAF) is likely to purchase the missile for its operational needs.
    Among the missile features are its ability to control and monitor the extent of its shrapnel, which will make its strike surgical, accurate and with minimum collateral damage despite the fact the missile spends a lot of time in the air from the minute it is launched until it strikes its target.
    However, the IMS and the IAI say that in light of the new ability developed—launching the missile up to 150 km from the target—the ratio between the accuracy and the effectiveness of the strike and the missile’s large distance from the fighter jet is its most significant advantage.
    The IAI’s Missiles and Aerospace Division’s manager, Boaz Levi, told Ynet that the missile’s cost is about one third of the cost of similar missiles being sold across the world.
    The Rampage already has a potential buyer, however the IAI did not reveal its identity.
    The missile will be adjusted to all offense platforms including the IAF’s F-15, F-16 and F-35 fighter jets and will be used against anti-aircraft batteries, enemy’s headquarters, armament storages, and logistic bases among others.
    The missile’s warhead will be guided by a GPS system, which will allow him to strike during the day as well as the night and in any weather conditions including fog and cloudiness.
    The GPS system’s Achilles’ heel is that it can be relatively easily disrupted. Therefore, the missile’s developers added an additional algorithm-based navigation system as backup that will give the missile immunity.
    The missile will have two kinds of warheads, with the first one designed for penetrating armor protected targets such as bunkers and those immune to shrapnel damage.
    IMI’s Fire Power Division’s Manager Eli Reiter said, “Sending four fighter jets carrying four Rampage missiles allows us to strike under conditions we’ve never had before.”
    The IAF’s need of precision strikes has grown over the past few years, an example of that is the strike against bases and weapon storages in Syria, for which the IDF has assumed responsibility a month ago.
    Syria’s army launched hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles as retaliation to the IDF’s multiple strikes. At the beginning of 2018, a Syrian missile shot down an IAF’s f-16 fighter jet in the Upper Galilee.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5283738,00.html

    Unfortunately, it won’t fit inside F-35 or able to attack moving target unlike AARGM-ER

    in reply to: Israel Air launched Stunner (Python-6) speculation thread #2188303
    garryA
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    Spyder-MR has two distinct variants – a Python 5 + booster and Derby + booster. The 50km seems a very generic statement that can’t apply to both, since the missiles minus booster have very different A2A ranges

    The engagement range of SPYDER-MR was advertised by Rafael, if Derby with booster can reach further than 50 km, i think they would have used that figure, better marketing and all that.
    On the otherhand, i also think the speed and range is somewhat dubious given that David sling Stunner is actually smaller than Derby-MR
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/spyder-image03.jpg

    Another observation would be that these HTK missiles with ‘no warhead’ actually do have a warhead.
    A third observation would be that missiles with no warhead might not lead to aircraft destruction and could lead to missile copying, as with the AIM-9B that hit a MiG-17 over the Taiwan Straight in 1958

    Big HTK SAM like PAC-3 could have the enhanced lethality “warhead” but i don’t think it exists on tiny missiles such as Stunner.
    AIM-9B is much slower than current AAM we have in our inventory.

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