PLA-MKII: I welcome your perspective and thoughts. I am an atheist, but have a keen interest in religion and its intersections with history, philosophy, culture, and so forth. I do not reject your assertion that there is a difference in worldview between the West and Islam, however I feel that in making your point you are at risk of overemphasising the universalist aspects of Islam (e.g. philosophy, mysticism) at the expense of its more worldly (e.g. historical and cultural) manifestations. I also think you are oversimplifying the western philosophical tradition. Incidentally, I am curious as to where you would place Orthodox Christianity in relation to the West and Islam?
I may indeed hold a different opinion if i were a muslim kashmiri, however in reply to Alpha Bravo and Rii, i’ll take India over China and Pakistan combined thanks very much.
At this point it is not about Kashmir being Muslim, contiguous with Pakistan, etc — 1947 is long past. Today it is about how India has systematically alienated the population by its brutal occupation. The popular sentiment is not for union with Pakistan, it is for the eviction of India!
In seeking to provide succor and sustance for all the only thing you achieve is a strengthening of those who would seek to dominate all others.
If by this you mean that Kashmir independent of India would be taken advantage of by Pakistan, I agree. Neither nation is interested in a solution, and this is why one has not emerged. Like Okinawa for Japan and the United States, Kashmir is a mere political football for India and Pakistan with scant regard for those who live there. Nevertheless, as the occupying power engaged in upholding an unjust status quo, the lion’s share of the blame lies with India, as it lies with Israel on the Palestinian issue.
First of 12 MV-22s delivered to HMX-1
Though US president will not fly in them – only support staff and media.
i.e. the expendables. ๐
The only difference is that globally, India’s occupation of Kashmir is legitimised by its “democratic” credentials, while China’s occupation of Tibet is not acceptable due to its communist single party system.
Yes, this is what I meant by India being a benefactor of the weak relationship between injustice and condemnation in the theatre of ‘world opinion’. It is not merely that India is ‘the world’s largest democracy’ (a claim which does more to undermine the concept of democracy than it does to elevate India) although that is certainly part of it. A variety of factors have combined to give India a squeaky clean image in the theatre of world opinion. And this faรงade works to enable all the traumas, injustice and horror which reliably accompany state power. To be clear: it is not that India’s crimes are intrinsically worse than those of e.g. France, America, Russia, China, etc. but that they pass almost unnoticed in the theatre of world opinion. Unfortunately, India’s ‘protected status’ looks set to endure for at least another generation as it is contrasted in global consciousness with both Pakistan (associated with terrorism, instability) and China (threatening, oppressive).
JF-17 is an export failure though.
I don’t think the export fortunes of JF-17 can be evaluated for at least another decade…
Given the choice, most Kashmiris would love to see the back of all three powers in the region.
And this is the crucial point. Like China in Tibet, India is intent on denying the Kashmiri people the right of self-determination, which is why it will not allow a plebiscite. Newton’s first law applies to peoples as well as states; that Kashmiris would, given the choice, overwhelmingly reject the status quo, is something occasioned by and proof of the oppression to which they have been subjected by India.
I agree that J-8 is not flexible enough for PAF requirements. For similar reasons, JH-7 would also not be the right aircraft for PAF. What is good for one nation is not necessarily good for another.
Well now that doesn’t make for good TV at all. ๐
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I don’t care about JF-17. My point was that Alpha Bravo‘s post could be taken to mean that PLA-MKII had used the word ‘privy’ incorrectly, when he had not. One should be careful not to mislead on such subjects, especially when someone is using a non-native language, as English presumably is for PLA-MKII.
The correlation between injustice and condemnation in the theatre of world opinion is, sadly, very weak. And India is one of the major benefactors of that. For all its inefficacy, Tibet is at least an active issue in world opinion. The same can’t be said for India’s ongoing occupation of Kashmir.
This is Kashmir territory, yes? In the sense that if India was to withdraw from Kashmir the Siachen Glacier/Aksai Chin areas disputed with China would go with it and become Somebody Else’s Problem? If this is so, Indian claims to be defending ‘their land’ can be taken with a degree of equanimity corresponding to the broader Kashmir question.
PLA-MKII‘s use of ‘privy’ is entirely correct.
Reading that Iranian air force forum I have to say, man they are really out of options. Should’ve bought more Fulcrums before the Russians signed on to the sanctions. What were their defense planners thinking?
Maybe they can get JF-17 once WS-13 is ready?
This was my understanding also — that MiG-35 involved significant airframe modifications. But others claim that MiG-35 airframe is the same as MiG-29M/K and the only difference is systems fit. :confused:
no my friend. no! my planes porns are misplaced at the moment, so I can’t upload my favorite picture right now.
Please do when you can. I don’t have any J-8 pics.
I too would agree with that general opinion. Older aircraft have a set of characteristics that sets them apart from most of today’s aircraft. The J-8, despite being late for its generation, is still filled with all of the qualities that make aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom, MiG-23 Flogger, Su-15 Flagon, JA-37 Viggen and others of the time such classics in their own ways.
Well I hardly think F-4 Phantom has the ‘slim lines of a supermodel’ that plumberunion was talking about. In quantifiable terms I interpret that as mostly a matter of fineness ratio although there is clearly more to it: J-20 has good fineness ratio but is nonetheless a big bruiser of a plane.
Outside of those two, the JF-17 just looks so generic. There is nothing about it that I find particularly attractive.
Hmm … I agree that there is no particularly standout feature of JF-17, but it strikes me as well-balanced rather than generic and I like it more than aircraft in similar class such as T-50, Tejas, Ching Kuo. My favourite JF-17 pics:
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The Tejas….I guess it’s alright. Nothing special though.
The increased length of Mk. 2 will make all the difference I think.