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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-08-02 AT 07:15 AM (GMT)]Best dat je dat laatste in het nederlands zei … onderbroekenhumor
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I looked this up in an online dutch/english dictionary, it means-

Best which you who lately in the netherlands zei…undershorthumor
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RE: Flight Sims

PII- How would you rate some of the nintendo/x-box/playstation flight sims compared to comp? I saw an x-box flight sim that looked pretty good.

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

wombat- Michael Collins led a guerrila/terrorist war against the brittish durring WW1. The brittish sent troops to Ireland and suppressed the uprising, but made a treaty to allow Ireland to succeed. Under the terms, even though Ireland would be self ruling, they would still be a territory of England and Northern Ireland would still be under rule of England. Collins was later assasinated for this treaty being looked apon as a “sell out”. There was a movie made a few years back about Michael Collins life. You can also read more about him doing a web search.

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

Mixtecs assumption that ireland was split up by a king in the 1600’s doesnt give much evidence(for example which king?). i personally do not know the history to this, THAT far back but would be interested to know about it.

I do know that there was rebellion basically because of the potato famines and lack of support from mainland UK. this in some respect is the beginnings of the real troubles in northern Ireland.

This situation is very complex, and I defy many IRISH people to explain it or even understand it.

Ive copied these passages out of a book “The Republic of Ireland” by Dennis Fradin. It the Irish/English history from the early 1500s to the late 1700s.

“In 1534, however, King Henry VIII of England renewed his countrys interest in ruling Ireland. He had himself declaed king of Ireland in 1541. The English then embarked on a massive program to deprive the Irish of their freedom and their way of life.
Henry VIIIs daughter, Mary I, became queen of England in 1553. Mary I began the colonization method known as “plantation”. Rebel Irish familys-at first in central Ireland-were evicted from their lands. English settlers or loyal Irish had to work for the English landlords or move to less desirable places.
Marys sister, Elizabeth I, became queen of England in 1558. Called “Good Queen Bess” by her English subjects, Elizabeth I was hated by the Irish. One tremendous conflict that had developed between the Irish and the English concerned religion. The Irish were Catholics, while the English had turned to Protestantism during the 1500. The English tried to force the Irish to become Protestants, too. Despite intense persecution of all kinds, the Irish clung to their own religion. Elizabeth I ordered Irish-Catholilc priests and bishops killed and outlawed Catholic-owned land and gave it to her fellow Englishman.
Furious at what the English were doing to them, the Irish revolted again and again. During Elizabeths time, the only part of the island the English didnt dominate was the north, where the O´Neil family was most prominant. In 1593 the O´Niels defeated the English in battle, and led other revolts soon after that. In 1601 Hugh O´Niel assembled an army of Irishman and Spaniards, but was badly defeated by the English.
The next English ruler after Elizabeth I was James I, who was as cruel to the Irish as she had been. DURING THE EARLY 1600s JAMES I CLEARED MANY OF THE IRISH CATHOLICS FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND. IN THEIR PLACES, HE “PLANTED” SCOTTISH AND ENGLISH PROTESTANTS. THIS WAS A CRUCIAL EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF IRELAND. THE PREPONDERANCE OF PROTESTANTS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND AND CATHOLICS IN THE SOUTHERN PART CREATED A SITUATION RESULTING IN CONFLICTS THAT CONTINUE TO THIS DAY.
Oliver Cromwell, who governed England from 1649 to 1658, continued the persecution of the Irish. An Irish revolt that had begun in 1641 was put down in 1649, when Cromwell invaded Ireland with a huge army. Among the slaughters perpetrated by the English at this time was Cromwells ruthless killing of more than 3500 men, women and children at Drogheda on the eastern coast of Ireland. After overcoming the Irish, Cromwell gave more of their lands to his soldiers. So many Irish were either killed or fled the island between 1641 and 1650 that in those few years Irelands population dropped from an estimated 1.5 million to less than 1 million. Those who remained had to lilve on desolate lands, most of which were on the west coast of Ireland in Connacht Province.
The expression “Hell or Connacht” was often uttered in despair by the Irish during this time. Other than Connacht Provinve, the Irish had little choice of where to go.
The English completely dominated the Emerald Isle. By the middle 1650s, four-fifths of Ireland had been taken over by English landlords. By the late 1600s, the English had seized more than 85 percent of Irish lands.
The Irish people had hope again in 1685 when James II, a Catholic, became Englands king. He temporarily ended persecution of the Catholic Irish. However, Jalmes II had his own problems. The crown was taken from him and given to his Protestant daughter, Mary II, and her husband, Willian III.
In an effort to regain his crown, James II, with French support, wnt to Ireland, where he had numerous followers. He formed and army of Irish Catholics, which was supplemented by many French officers. Meanwhile, Protestants from the northern part of Ireland augmented Williams army of Dutch and Englishman. The two armies met in 1690, on the banks of the River Boyne. Willaim won the Battle of Boyne. After this-if it can be amagined-conditions were worse than ever for the Irish Catholics.
During the 1700s the Catholics were treated much as black slaves were in America. The English passed a series of cruel Penal Laws. These laws established severe fines and inprisonment for taking part in Catholic worship. They also forced more of the Irish to give up their lands. By the late 1770s the Irish Catholics, who then made up 75 percent of the population of in Ireland, owned just 5 percent of the land. The Irish had to work for Enlish or Anglo-Irish Protestant landlords on property that once had been their own.
Because the English had placed a heavy tax on homes with fireplaces, many of the Irish lived in unheated shacks. In addition, they had little to eat but potatoes. Their chilly homes and lack of nourishing food made the Irish subject to illness.
According to the Penal Laws, no Irish Catholic was allowed to vote, buy property, hold public office, own a gun, or own a horse worth more than five pounds. Catholics were barred from becoming lawyers or teachers. Because Catholic worship was forbidden, the Irish had to hold secret services out in the fields. Catholic schools were also illegal. Some Irish children attended Protestant schools. Others went to “hedge schools”, which were secret schools often held outdoors in secluded places. Some Irish children didnt go to school at all.”

I want to make perfectly clear Im not pro or anti Irish. Im 1/8th Irish and 1/8th English. I believe that history forms our cultures and cultures form us as people. I think its possible for English and Irish to live on the same land but with different cultures and economys. Theres plenty of countrys in the world that have different cultures that live on the same land but are seperate. Irish people have to develope on their own before they can merge equitably with the English.

RE: Flight Sims

Ive been curious what the quality of simulaters that AF fighterpilots use to train is compared to pc sims.

RE: I dont know what to say read this

Ive given up trying to tell people that the US is going to far oppressing iraq (even in this forum). If moslem people are going to better their standard of living and role in world economy, they should seek relationships with countrys other than the US. The US is really going to go to far if they invade iraq. Even farther than vietnam, because with vietnam, the US people honestly thought they were rescueing the south from a hostile invasion (not the political reality at all). This time there knowingly forcing there will on a countys system, I have a feeling the iraqis arent going to feel liberated.

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

I have often wondered why it was that Britain became involved with Northern Ireland in the first place. When did the province become a part of the UK – was it 1917?

That was a brittish kings idea from the 1600s.

The thing that confuses me is the “loyalists” versus “republicans” argument, mingled with the Catholics versus Protestants problems. Are these two problems related? Surely there is a strong mix of Catholic and Protestant religions amongst the loyalists and the republicans, so how do they explain the hatred that we see so much of?

Its a race problem. Religion is just used to cover that up. A mix of Catholic (Irish) amongst the loyalists (loyal to england and english crown)? Evidently theres not enough of that part of the mixture.

Id like to thank everyone on this thread for sticking with facts, and not speaking for other people and what other people want, as that kind of conversation gets real stupid.

RE: PlayStation 2

comet- You can get rechargeable battery packs that are specifaccly designed for the gameboy. You dont have to take it out to recharge, you just plug in the socket from a wall adapter, and you can play it while its recharging. A recharge will usually last about 5 hours.