this information is incorrect!

australian airlines has no plans to fly to frankfurt as stated in airliner world magazine.

dartie, where did you hear or get this info?

the 767s have been asigned to new asian routes, europe is not on the list at all, the 767 fleet that QF/AO has was designed for doing routes in the pacific and asia area, they wont have the range to even get to fra from anywhere in asia.

ao was setup not to compete with qf routes, qf wont be pulling out of fra to be substituted by a all Y class airline.

you need to check facts before posting this nonsense.

EBT is undergoing heavy maintenence and its not known if it will be returned to service.

the 763’s at AVV are on rotational storage, think OGE is in storage atm or OGG.

JAL

Cathay Pacific
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/internet/cxinternet/image/en/graphics/13_pic_uni-2d.jpg

i saw the girls and guys in the new QF uniforms, looks very sexy

hate to tell you this but over 20million people flew from main island Japan, like Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya to Sapporo last year.

of that 8million alone flew from Haneda to Chitose, making it by far the busiest route in the world.

guinness book of records is not the most reliable source if thats where your info comes from.

this is sunday HND and NRT-SPK schedule also schedules from NGO and KIX ITAMI.

JL501 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
06:40 773 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
08:10

JL503 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
07:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
09:00

JL505 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
08:10 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
09:40
operated by JAS

JL507 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
08:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:00

JL509 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
09:00 767 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:30

JL511 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
09:35 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
11:05

JL513 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
10:00 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
11:30
operated by JAS

JL515 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
11:05 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
12:35

JL517 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
11:30 747 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
13:00

JL519 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
12:00 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
13:30

JL521 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
13:00 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
14:30
operated by JAS

JL523 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
13:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
15:00

JL525 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
14:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
16:00

JL527 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
15:50 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
17:20

JL529 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
16:30 747 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
18:00

JL531 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
17:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
19:00

JL533 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
17:55 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
19:25
operated by JAS

JL565 dp: TOKYO,Narita(NRT)
18:25 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
20:00

JL535 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
18:30 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
20:00

JL537 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
19:20 747 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
20:50

JL539 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
20:15 773 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
21:45

JL549 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
20:50 767 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
22:20

Nagoya to SPX

JL851 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
08:00 767 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
09:35

JL853 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
09:50 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
11:25
operated by JEX

JL857 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
12:10 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
13:45
operated by JEX

JL859 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
14:25 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
16:00
operated by JEX

JL861 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
15:30 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
17:05
operated by JEX

JL863 dp: NAGOYA,Nagoya(NGO)
20:00 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
21:35
operated by JEX

here is ANA for today, now this is by far the busiest pax air route in the world

Tokyo Haneda (0625) Sapporo-Chitose (0755) ANA 961 320 Tokyo Haneda (0700) Sapporo-Chitose (0830) ANA 051 744 Tokyo Haneda (0730) Sapporo-Chitose (0900) ANA 4711 763 Tokyo Haneda (0800) Sapporo-Chitose (0935) ANA 053 74R Tokyo Haneda (0900) Sapporo-Chitose (1035) ANA 055 74R Tokyo Haneda (0930) Sapporo-Chitose (1105) ANA 057 744 Tokyo Haneda (1000) Sapporo-Chitose (1135) ANA 059 744 Tokyo Narita (1000) Sapporo-Chitose (1135) ANA 3121 CRJ Tokyo Haneda (1025) Sapporo-Chitose (1155) ANA 4713 763 Tokyo Haneda (1100) Sapporo-Chitose (1230) ANA 061 773 Tokyo Haneda (1200) Sapporo-Chitose (1330) ANA 063 744 Tokyo Haneda (1205) Sapporo-Chitose (1335) ANA 4715 763 Tokyo Haneda (1300) Sapporo-Chitose (1430) ANA 065 773Tokyo Haneda (1400) Sapporo-Chitose (1530) ANA 067 744 Tokyo Haneda (1450) Sapporo-Chitose (1620) ANA 4717 763 Tokyo Haneda (1500) Sapporo-Chitose (1630) ANA 069 744 Tokyo Haneda (1600) Sapporo-Chitose (1730) ANA 071 744 Tokyo Haneda (1700) Sapporo-Chitose (1830) ANA 073 744 Tokyo Narita (1725) Sapporo-Chitose (1900) ANA 3125 CRJ Tokyo Haneda (1730) Sapporo-Chitose (1900) ANA 075 744 Tokyo Haneda (1820) Sapporo-Chitose (1950) ANA 4719 762 Tokyo Haneda (1830) Sapporo-Chitose (2000) ANA 077 773 Tokyo Haneda (1915) Sapporo-Chitose (2045) ANA 4721 763 Tokyo Haneda (1930) Sapporo-Chitose (2100) ANA 079 763 Tokyo Haneda (2010) Sapporo-Chitose (2140) ANA 081 744 Tokyo Haneda (2100) Sapporo-Chitose (2230) ANA 4723 763

plus another 8 from nagoya and 4 from KIX and 3 from Itami with ANA

JAL to sapporo from Osaka ITami and KIX

JL571 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
08:25 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:15

JL573 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
09:25 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
11:15

JL575 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
11:10 734 – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
13:00
operated by JEX

JL871 dp: OSAKA,Kansai(KIX)
11:15 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
13:10

JL577 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
13:40 744 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
15:30

JL579 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
15:15 777 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
17:05

XM605 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
18:20 CRJ – X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
20:10

JL879 dp: OSAKA,Kansai(KIX)
19:00 767 X X non stop
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
20:55

JL936 dp: OSAKA,Kansai(KIX)
06:50 767 X X via
ar: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
07:55

JL507 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
08:30 744 X X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:00

JL100 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
07:20 744 X X via
ar: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
08:25

JL509 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
09:00 767 X X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:30

JL340 dp: OSAKA,Kansai(KIX)
07:50 773 X X via
ar: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
08:55

JL511 dp: TOKYO,Haneda(HND)
09:35 744 X X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
11:05

JC811 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
07:50 734 – X via
ar: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
09:00

JC841 dp: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
09:30 734 – X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
10:40

JC813 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
09:55 734 – X via
ar: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
11:05

JC843 dp: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
11:30 734 – X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
12:40

JC815 dp: OSAKA,Itami(ITM)
13:50 734 – X via
ar: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
15:00

JC847 dp: SENDAI,Sendai(SDJ)
16:00 734 – X
ar: SAPPORO,Sapporo Chitose(SPK)
17:10

swiss is joining oneworld

Swiss set to join BA alliance
By Kevin Done and Lina Saigol
Published: September 22 2003 23:57 | Last Updated: September 22 2003 23:57

British Airways and Swiss International Airlines are expected to announce Tuesday that the struggling Swiss carrier will join the Oneworld global airline alliance.

At a board meeting on Monday Swiss rejected a rival deal offered by Germany’s Lufthansa to enter the Star alliance in favour of making an agreement with BA and Oneworld, which is more likely to allow it to remain an independent carrier, at least for the medium term.

As a key part of the BA/Swiss deal the UK carrier is expected to acquire a significant number of Swiss’s take off and landing slots at the highly congested London Heathrow airport, which will provide an immediate injection of cash for the Swiss group.

The deal is a further part in the consolidation of the European airline industry and comes as negotiations between KLM and Air France on a potentially much more ambitous combination have also reached an advanced stage.

A KLM spokesman said on Monday that the two groups were “satisfied with the progress” made in their negotiations, but added “we are very careful about the deal we want to make…we don’t have a specific date or deadline we are working to.”

The Dutch and French airlines said last week that “critical points” were still to be resolved. They said they were in detailed discussions on “an intensive co-operation” as well as on KLM’s entry into the SkyTeam alliance, which is led by Air France and Delta Air Lines of the US.

Both sets of negotiations have been triggered by the strong pressures for consolidation in the European airline industry with many airlines still deep in loss and the traditional carriers losing market share heavily to the rapidly growing low cost airlines.

The talks between BA and Swiss, the airline formed last year to replace the bankrupt Swissair, have intensified in recent weeks, as Swiss has sought to draw up a survival strategy in the face of continuing heavy losses.

Swiss has been in loss since its formation and recently announced a net loss of SFr333m for the first half of the year. KLM, one of the most highly indebted carriers in Europe, is in its third successive year of losses.

Swiss was formed out of the 2001 collapse of the former Swissair through a SFr2.7bn rescue by the Swiss federal government, several cantons, and leading Swiss industrial groups, banks and private investors.

It started flying at the end of March last year but has struggled from the outset with too much capacity and a network that was too big for its available market.

The Swiss airline is trying to drive through a third restructuring package in less than 12 months aimed at cutting annual costs by SFr1.6bn and has admitted that it needs additional financing of SFr500m to help fund the rescue.

The cash injection from selling slots to BA was therefore a key element in securing the deal.

Throughout the negotiations BA has said that it was not interested in taking any equity stake in Swiss and it wanted no financial or management exposure to the Swiss group.

The rival deal offered by Lufthansa was expected to have involved the German carrier taking a stake in Swiss, albeit with tough conditions, and the German airline would have expected to have a direct influence in the operations of the Swiss group.

As part of its entry into Oneworld Swiss is expected to announce a bilateral marketing alliance with BA, which will include extensive code-sharing arrangements, under which the two carriers will sell seats on some of each other’s flights, and will also include co-operation on frequent flyer programmes and shared facilities such as business lounges at some airports.

Swiss already has bilateral links with six other Oneworld carriers including American Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Qantas.

Originally posted by Dutchy
Let’s remember all the victims of terorrism. Those who have fallen on that feathfull day but also who have fallen in Afghanistan and Iraq, and yes I mean the civilians.

agreed. and lets remember september 11 1973, if none of you know what that day is, it’s a dark day in history for terrorism, we just dont hear to much about it!

http://www.americas.org/News/Features/200110_After_the_Attacks/200110Chile.htm