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  • in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2217615
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    From what I have seen in other sources, that RD-93 figure is inflated and very suspect.

    It seems consistent with the claim from Klimov at the Zuhai 2010 airshow. It’s either a mistake/misquote on the part of Klimov, or I’m guessing there has been some form of modification to the baseline RD-93 which provides the extra thrust. The higher thrust figure has cropped up consistently in other previous articles on the JF-17.

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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2217683
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    Is that a new type? There seems to be bewildering variety of special service types based on the Y-8 platform, is there a source that provides details on all the types?

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2217686
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    Astonishing speed at which they manged to get the J-15 operational, if true.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2217709
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    Some interesting points in an article on the JF-17 from the November issue of Combat Aircraft, by Rogier Westerhuis interviewing Wing Commander Ronald of the PAF, commander of 16 Squadron, ‘Black Panthers’.

    – The JF-17 has been the fastest development programme of a modern fighter aircraft in recent history. The contract was signed in 1999, design finalised in 2001, first prototype flew in 2003. Six SBP aircraft delivered in 2008, raising the Test and Evaluation Flight. Serial production started in PAC in 2008, first PAC built example delivered in 2009. First squadron, 26 ‘Black Spiders’, raised in 2010 and 16 squadron following in 2011, designated a multi-role function.

    – PAC has co-developed a full mission simulator for the JF-17.

    – Hybrid digital/analogue FBW, with digital in pitch.

    – RD-93 produces 22,000lb thrust (98kN), giving a TWR of 1:1.1 and short take off capability.

    – HOTAS, full glass cockpit with 3x colour MFDs. Weapons and mission computers, GPS/INS navigation, wide band radios, comprehensive self-protection suite with chaff/flare dispensers and missile approach warning. The KG-300G self-protection jammer pod has been integrated, as well as NVG compatible cockpit.

    – PAC co-developed and co-produces the KLJ-7(V)2 radar with Nanjiang, currently equips the JF-17. X-band multi-mode radar with capability to scan 40 targets, track 10 and engage 2 at the same time. Terrain avoidance mode, along with air to sea.

    – Improved SD-10A under testing and integration. Laser designator and targeting pod integrated, allowing the use of LT-1 and LT-3 LGBs, as well as LS-6 GPS/INS guided bomb. Currently integrating the CM-400AKG hypersonic anti-ship and stand-off land attack missile, range of 180-250km, at over mach 4.

    – Next batch of 50 Block-II currently underway at PAC. Modification include IFR probe, improved avionics, strengthened wing roots to allow an additional 3,000lb in stores to be carried, improved maintenance and operational capabilities. Additional payload takes max payload to 11,816lb (5,360kg).

    – PAC has capacity to build 16 to 25 aircraft per year.

    – A twin seater in currently under development in China.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force #2218328
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    Rather than the Indians and the Pakistanis trying to project their own insecurities on each other and try to convince the other that its version of reality will pan out, how about we try to place ourselves in the shoes of the PAF and see what we would do in their place? Given this region of the world, strategic interests of many countries can change quite dramatically in the span of even a few years, and this has had a significant impact on Pakistan and the PAF in particular. India is not immune to shifting geopolitical changes in the region, but has been impacted to a lesser degree than Pakistan over the past few decades.

    I think we all know the limitations imposed on the PAF, primarily financial and the threat of sanctions, especially from Western nations and the US in particular. In light of the historical precedents, Pakistan could be subjected to greater isolation, or it could be viewed as a partner again for whatever may happen in the future. The worst case scenario is that the US imposes deep sanctions on Pakistan, severely impacting the Viper fleet of the PAF, as happened in the 90s. The best case scenario would be greater access to trade, equipment and maybe even military assistance packages. The most likely scenario is a continuation of the current luke warm relationship with the US, given the threat of greater instability in the region affecting Pakistan, resulting in the collapse of the state, similar to Somalia or Syria perhaps.

    The PAF’s most reliable supplier of hardware has been China, and that isn’t likely to change in the foreseeable future, at least not on the face of it. Worst case scenario would be if China shifts its strategic interests and alliances in the region, causing a significant reversal of its traditional policy towards Pakistan. Best case scenario would be greater access to cheap credit facilities and maybe even subsidising future procurement programmes for the PAF. The most likely scenario is the continuation of the strong and reliable relationship with China, with a larger proportion of the future PAF comprising fighters derived from future Chinese projects.

    In light of these conditions, if I had the job of steering the PAF’s future, it would be similar to what the current projection appears to be, i.e. consolidate and strengthen the Viper fleet through the acquisition of used Vipers, but ones with plenty of life left in their airframes, and put them through MLU. The Viper will still be around for a good few decades yet, and amongst nations with good relations with the PAF, so in the case of sanctions, spares availability may not be as great an issue as it was a couple of decades ago. However, I wouldn’t make the PAF overly dependent on a single Western type that is exposed to such risk, so maybe a little less than a third of the entire fleet would comprise Vipers.

    If the JF-17 project continues as planned, this would be the most numerous type in the service with the PAF. The development plan provided by Yang Wei, the project head of the JF-17/FC-1 suggests a roadmap with decent growth in the capabilities aircraft, such as AESA, engine, avionics, weapons etc. That leaves space for a third “high-end” type to supplement the Vipers and the JF-17. Over the past few years, that was assumed to be a PAF specific J-10/FC-20. However, despite mixed news reports of that possibility being on again/off again due to either financial reasons, or (given the speed of other Chinese fifth gen projects) the PAF wanting to skip another fourth gen type and wait for something like the J-31, nothing has happened in the meantime. True, it would make sense for the PAF to opt for a Chinese derived fifth gen type. But I would consider other options. Given the strengthening relationship between the Turkish aerospace defence sector and PAF/PAC, the TFX may be a viable option. This would provide good access to Western derived technology, but perhaps offset any sanction risks somewhat. However, the major challenge for this option would be funding, it’s likely to be expensive and I doubt the Turkish government would be willing to offer any lines of credit, at least not to the same extent as China. Another option, although an outlier, would be to consider something like the Gripen NG. Although not a true fifth gen type some would say, it would come pretty close in terms of performance and capability, but with cheap operating costs, not to mention the integration with the Erieyes and perhaps any future upgrade of these or follow-on acquisitions. The major obstacle to this would be the high acquisition costs. Another option to consider, and perhaps one not so far fetched, would be to become the third partner in the KFX programme along with Indonesia. Similar to the TFX option, this would allow access to relatively high end technology, but with fewer risks of sanctions. However, the same obstacles apply here, i.e. costs and funding. But if Pakistan could come close matching the contribution of Indonesia, that could lower costs all round for the partners. In addition, the KFX and TFX options could also bring along opportunities for license production and work share agreements, similar to what PAC is doing with the K-8, JF-17 and Turkish UAVs.

    So if it were me, I would plan for something along the lines of (approximate numbers):

    100 Vipers – all upgraded to a Block-52 type standard.
    250 JF-17s – all upgraded to Block-3/4 according to the current plan.
    100 J-31/Gripen NG/TFX/KFX.

    in reply to: Guizhou JL-9G #2219928
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    I would say the JL-9 is likely to be much cheaper than the L-15 considering its direct Mig-21/J-7 lineage, particularly for export customers who operate that type, in addition to ease of maintenance. The L-15 is a clean sheet design and relies on key components from foreign sources, such as the engine from Progress, which may be a negative some.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2226676
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    http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/J-20/J20_35-1.jpg~original

    What a gorgeous, menacing looking aircraft from that angle. At first I thought this was a fanboy CGI. The red star makes it look like an image of a futuristic USSR concept stealth project from the 80s.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2231944
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    http://i.imgur.com/naq0xPv.jpg

    in reply to: How Iron curtain , AMAP-ADS work #2232655
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    All very interesting…but what does this have anything to do with modern military aviation?

    in reply to: US led coalition against IS #2233665
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    Agree that they deserve their own nation. But the strongest opposition to a Kurdistan will come from the Turks, who have oppressed them systematically over several decades.

    In the same way that Kashmiris deserve their own nation, because the have been systematically oppressed by India, in the same way that Palestinians deserve their own nation, because they have been systematically oppressed by Israel, in the same way that Russian’s deserve their own nation, because they have been systematically oppressed by Ukrainians, in the same way the Balochis deserve their own nation, because the have been systematically oppressed by Pakistan, in the same way that Chechens deserve their own nation, because they have been systematically oppressed by Russians, in the same way…

    in reply to: US led coalition against IS #2233670
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    The entire Western, and in particular US, policy for the Middle East has been quite a mess ever since the so called Arab Spring. So the US rushes to avert a humanitarian disaster and to stop a genocide in Iraq, yet does nothing to stop the humanitarian disaster and genocide of Palestinians in Gaza? And what about the loss of human life in the now 3 year war in Syria? And let’s not forget, the US is supposedly supplying weapons indirectly to ISIS/ISIL/IS via their support for the opposition in the Syrian civil war.

    in reply to: best looking stealth fighter #2235404
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    I’ve pasted below what I think the best looking stealth fighter is 😉

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2238965
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    Russia has better radar than China:o

    Or another way to put it – the J-20 has a significantly lower RCS than the PAK-FA 🙂

    in reply to: How to Publish an Ideal Aviation Book on a Fighter #2239200
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    I have always been (sic) “radical” so to speak but now we are very much becoming the mainstream rather than the shunned minority. You will probably see the collapse of Saudi Arabia in your lifetime and a general war against Israel (with the West eventually dragged into it).

    Yes, you have always been a sic radical. Especially if you wish to see war in the middle east on that scale. Do you actually, truly, really believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth and brain?

    But that’s just my views and not to be off topic will close the topic at that.

    PS: as the grandson of one of the founders of Pakistan, it was supposed to be a state that would champion the Muslim cause, sadly it was taken by a counter revolution of secular civil servants, landowners and military men (aka brown sahibs) who had been putin place by the British, so the JF17 does not actually serve the purpose for which Pakiatan was created. Pakistan today is a shadow of the state it was meant to be and its secular elite will take it even further.

    I’ve found the answer to my previous question.

    in reply to: Boeing 747 Military dirivatives #2240011
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    forgot some.

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    The proposed AC-25 Banshee

    Although obviously a piece of fan art, I’ve always thought the 747 platform was very versatile and suited for a high wing design. Relocating the wing to just aft of the upper deck always seemed like a suitable configuration for a transport based on the underlying 747 fuselage. The cost saving could have been immense considering the numbers of 747s produced.

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