In the case of JEJ, I gather that there was also some debate as to whether he qualified for inclusion on the Battle of Britain roll.
I met JEJ a few times in the 90’s and he was always clear to point out that he did not consider himself to be part of the BoB as he was still training at the time.
As for claims/kills, I don’t think we can ever be sure of who got what. Pilots would have made genuine mistakes, some may have been over enthusiastic about the damage inflicted on an enemy aircraft during combat.
I was told that Ginger Lacy scored more than he claimed but let some of the less experienced pilots take the credit for a kill he was responsible for (as long as they’d attacked it with him and got a shot in) to boost their confidence. It didn’t matter to him as long as someone shot them down. I think it was grumpy Unwin that told me this but can’t remember with 100% certaincy.
Hi bazv – I searched as well but didn’t find anything. I was just wondering if there is a definite answer. I am curious because I am researching my uncles RAF history. He was a sergeant and I know he was involved in building runways and bases etc. mainly in the western desert. I have some photograghs of him and others at work which I will post when I work out how to do it (I am computer illiterate). He and his friends did vital work but I had nerver thought the term erk applied because as far as I can find out he didn’t work on aircraft. I am not bothered either way, I have his medals, I am proud of him. The discussion came up and I am interested in what the answer/general opinion is.
Thanks pagen01.
I will check out Air Britain. Would the Putnam books cover the 50’s and 60’s?
Hi Tangmere
Thanks for the reply. I appologise, I didn’t post very clearly, I was trying to give V6700 as an example (I know it’s history as I researched it so that a small group could dig it up from a field in Castle Cary, Somerset). I am after a source where I can look up any serial and find the type of aircraft it was allocated to if that makes any sense.
Many thanks for all the help, just fantastic!
Another of my heroes gone, another of our heroes gone, another of this countrys heroes gone. My condolences to his family and friends.
Fly through the clouds in peace Bob.
Well, remember the old saying, It’s better to have loved and lost – Much better!
Took my missus to see her at Cardiff arena a couple of years ago. It is a fairly big venue and the place was packed with people of all ages, kids to pensioners. We were next to a girl that travelled from Holland just for the show. Dolly put on a fantastic show which I really enjoyed even though I’m not a die hard fan like my wife. I tried to get tickets for this years tour but all venues sold out almost instantly. My sister in law and her family were at Glastonbury specifically to see her so I imagine a great number of Sunday’s crowd were as well.
I’m not sure if I can put a picture up, not very good with computers etc, bit of a dinosaur in this area. However we will have a candle lit and next to it will be a battered RFC badge from an unknown airman.
Just about anything by Marc Bolan (T. Rex). Here’s an example, this is called New York City.
Did you ever see a woman
Coming out of New York City
With a frog in her hand
Did you ever see a woman
Coming out of New York City
With a frog in her hand
I did don’t you know [3x]
And don’t it show
There were five houses along our road (including ours) that had bothered as far as I could see. All the street lighting reained on yet a few months ago most of it was off to save money!
They shouldn’t have broken both of his arms, some poor sod has to wipe his **** now.
Hi John, that is pretty much what they said on the documentary, the Bren was very accurate and the spread of shot stayed close together. They said that for covering fire, shoot and advance etc. a wider spread of shot is preferred. The natural spread of an automatic weapon is actually designed in to achieve this (they said). The automatic fire is not to try and hit a bull but cover an area making it difficult for the enemy. This sort of makes sense as weapons like a Bren on it’s tripod may be difficult to move around and natural spread would achieve this without the need for much movement of the weapon.
I am not from a military background and have no knowledge of these things, merely passing on the information from what I watched on the history channel a couple of nights ago. It may be complete BS but I found it interesting and surprising, if there is any truth in what they were saying, after all the aircraft documentaries they put on are usually full of mistakes and false truths.
Do automatic weapons really have inaccuracy designed in?
From a recent documentary I saw then apparently yes. They were talking about and demonstrating WW2 machine guns, Sten, Tommy etc. They were looking at the Bren gun and firing it and the shots are closely grouped. This is apparently a disadvantage for this type of weapon where shot needs to spread to make sure ‘they keep their heads down’ when being fired at. For maximum effect the shot needs to spread. They stated that modern automatic weapons are actually designed with a degree of inaccuracy to get the shot to spread.
It was on the telly so it must be definitely, certainly, absolutely true 🙂
You would think so but I find it amazing that such a great country still clings on to a 200 year old law that was referring to early revolvers and muskets!