I found Peter Lewis’s picture of a ‘civie’ Argosy very interesting, never having seen a civilianised one. I assume that as there is no radome in the nose that those are front loading doors?
The RAF ones only had rear loading doors but that was a great advancement over side loaders like the Hastings.


DT
Thanks Peter,
Certainly a ‘Beaufighter’ looking wreck is craned out of the water in the video promo so I’ll investigate further.
At least I managed to get the producer to change the wording so that the words “a dogfight” and “the fighters” were not included! We can’t have a ‘dog fight’ in WW2 or calling ‘Beaufighters of Coastal Command’ as ‘just fighters’!
The production company now working on it have a good record as they have worked on lots of ‘wildlife’ and you have to be very careful in that area as well.
DT
James,
Yes the Epson 4870 is a dedicated photo scanner, so has neg carriers for 35mm, 21/4 x 2/14 and 4×5 as well as a set of 35mm slide carriers. I tend to buy ‘last years model’ second-hand so the 4870 is now superseded by a newer one.
I’ve always loved the strong ‘graphic quality’ that a good black and white image has and when I had my 4×5 camera I continued shooting landscapes in monochrome.
In a way I’m glad I shot B&W in Singapore because when I see colour slides from the early 60’s I find them softer looking and usually suffering from considerable fading. The later could be corrected in Photoshop now I guess.
In fact it was only the belief that one day I would build another photo darkroom that made me keep the negs all these years. Alas that didn’t apply to my ‘aircraft spotters file’ that I stupidly through away some years ago. I can still remember the decision…”oh I’ll never need this old relic of my youth”!
DT
Longshot- yes that’s the Samoca camera I had.
I was given it by my dad shortly after arriving in Singapore as I guess he could see that he wasn’t going to get his old Agfa camera back now that we lived directly above the aircraft park.

A 15 year old boy who was very lucky…aviation was truly thrilling in the 60’s and I had access that you’d never get today.
I have an Epson 4870 scanner bought on eBay. I scan the 35mm negs at
2400dpi and leave them as ‘colour negtive film’-which they obviously aren’t!
I hope that keeping all the RGB detail until I print will help with any ‘post production’ I may need to do. Next I need a good printer, another Epson I think.
I do have to spend sometime with each picture in Photoshop, because even the scanning adds dust etc but some of the negs are scratched, unavoidable I imagine after over 45 years. Often there are also uneven ‘sky’s’ from poor development.
Photoshops even saved a few negs from impossibly bad processing marking, so I’m now convinced about ‘digital’!
The Asahi Pentax slr came out whilst I was in Singapore, the first interchangeable lens 35mm camera that I saw. I knew an airman with a Pentax but I could never aspire to having one..although I did years later and finally settled on the Olympus OM1 in the mid 70’s. I even had a 4×5 in the 80’s but children put paid to darkroom’s etc. and I gave up photography. Now I want a good digital one as I’m ‘fired up’ again.
The secret seems to be – look after you’re negs and wait 40 plus years until you bring them out again. Then everyone else has lost their pictures and are pleased to see yours!
David
Alas WL795 didn’t get out to 205 Sqn, but I can see from the listings on the
http://users.bigpond.net.au/Shackleton/ website that there were lots of Shacks coming and going in the 60’s and 70’s, as the aircraft went through the Phase II and III mods.
I had a Shackleton thread on PPRune:
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/355230-205-sqn-shackletons-changi-early-1960s.html
that you might not have seen.
David T
Bill T: Great to know that you worked with those V-Bombers on the Blue Steel testing at Edinburgh Field and Woomera. I have pics of 4 of the Valiants WP204, WP205, WZ372 and WZ375 all with the ‘interesting’ bomb-bay cut out for the Blue Steel. I found a Woomera web page so had heard of the Victors spin and recoverery by deploying the parachute. Lucky the co-pilot on board was able to suggest that or they would have all perished.
JDK: I went looking on line for a copy of Patrick Kilvingtons book about the Lancaster ferry flight, but it seemed to be impossible to find. One to look out for.
I remember being surprised at the time with how small the Lanc looked compared with the Shackletons that were at Changi. As it taxied past it was like a 2/3rds scale Shack I thought. However when up beside it there was such a thrill at seeing this famous plane. So glad the pics came out so well.
I missed the departure next day, but our school was an ex-barrack block and was very ‘open’, so I heard her go-“Taylor, you’re not paying attention!” …”Yes Sir”.
Dave T
By the way, changed the slideshow so that it’s ‘manually controlled’ now, just toggle the arrows in the bottom corners.
DT
Sadsack: only a cheap ‘Samoca’ 35mm camera with a fixed 45mm f2.8 lens. I took about 1200 aircraft pics in those 2 and half years but had to battle with processsing problems. The local camera shops had no clever film developing machines and controlling the water temperature during development was a nightmare. I was only getting very small prints initially and didn’t really notice how contrasty the pictures usually were. Eventually my dad bought me an enlarger and I started to sort out the problems. I would stay up late with my bedroom windows blacked out with blankets and washed the prints in the bath!
I still had some rather contrasty (or even soft) negatives because of the water temperature problems. Luckily a great many of the negs came out as good as these. Still upsetting to find some that are poor because of the ‘grain’ on the negs being messed up by incorrect development.
Just compare the first of my Lancaster sequence:
with these two of another great Avro- the Vulcan:

You can see that the Vulcan pics are crawling in ‘grain’ and are very soft as well!
The Vulcan by the way is XH539 that took part in Blue Steel tests at Woomera. Taken mid 1961 so I think she’s on her way out to Woomera. Just reading Tim McLelland wonderful Avro Vulcan book but still can’t work out whether she’s ‘going or coming back’!
Dave T

Yes, I forgot to say that the pictures show L’Aeronavale Lancaster B7 WU15 being delivered to her last posting with Escadrille de Servitude 9S at Noumeau, New Caledonia.
She returned back in 1965 on her way to the UK becoming NX611 again.
Alas I wasn’t there to see her return but in the pdf linked to below there’s a picture showing her with an RAF Victor and a RAAF Canberra at RAAF Butterworth, which was her next stop ‘up country’ in Malaya.
http://www.raf-butterworth-penang-association.co.uk/PDF/Issue%2017%20Summer%202007.pdf
‘On Targets’ website has a nice appraisal of her history.
http://on-target-aviation.com/NX611_Lanc.html
Do tell me if the slideshow loads OK by the way, never sure aboat these things!
David T
Tim McLelland’s superb book ‘Avro Vulcan-A complete history’ (Crecy Publishing 2007 ISBN 978 0 85979 127 4′ has the ‘Aircrew Manual’ as an appendix. Have you seen that-lots of airframe detail.
Tim has done 3 other books on the Vulcan I believe!
He contributes to the PPRune historic forum- his next books on the Lightning.
DT
Argosy’s- no drawings I’m afraid but B and W pics galore if they are any help:






These are all 215 Sqn aircraft. The parked aircraft pictures were taken within a few days of the sqns arrival at Changi from Benson, in August 1963. The landing shots taken late 1963. They did lots of ‘circuits and bumps’ I remember in the first few months.
I took lots of the 215 Sqn Argosy’s as they impressed me by looking so smart and modern compared with the Hastings of 48Sqn! No sqn markings of any kind were worn whilst I was at Changi.
They arrived in time for 3 aircraft to carry out the evacuation of embassy staff from Djakarta in September 63 and the participated in the ‘confrontation’ with Indonesia with an Argosy detached to Labuan. The short t/o and landing capability was much used.
I am surprised that the Argosy’s RAF life was so short. The 215 Sqn aircraft were mainly returned to Akrotiri or spread about the other 4 Argosy sqns and the 215 was disbanded in late 1967. By now 48 Sqn had C-130s, the aircraft that obviously was superior to the Argosy. Perhaps that should have been recognised earlier and the Hercs first purchased when the Aussie’s and others started getting them.
David Taylor.
Brian- really great pics!
Was this open to anyone to photograph and how do you find out about such an interesting photo possibility?
David Taylor.
Ouch- 25 mins for Lauriebe to download! I can only think the site went ‘offline’ fo awhile.
The Flash file that’s being loaded is reported as 4567708Kb.
I make that just under 4.4Meg which I thought would load on most machines fairly fast. Speed of your connection will be relevant of course and I imagine also speed of your PC.
The server (DreamHost) is in the US but the jpeg pics that I’ve been showing here on this forum are all on that as well.
There was one other occasion when my pics were reported as ‘inaccessible’ and that would be when the server was down for maintenance I believe. That typically seems to happen in UK time in the evening of course!
My son tells me to use a site like ‘Flikr’ to post my library of pics, but I’m not very impressed with that type of presentation. I like the idea of receiving constructive comments and further information about pictures so need to find away to allow that.
I haven’t managed to produce a suitable ‘hour glass’ as the Flash loads but I’m sure I can when I start up a proper web page.
I do want users to be able to ‘zone in’ on specific interests and therefore was going to present the pictures in folders, such as ‘Britannia’s/Comets/V-Bombers/RAAF Canberras’ that sort of thing.
The folders are also necessary to keep each file to reasonable size to load.
DT


Neither of the two four engined planes in this group is a Brit.
Thanks Albert.
Pleased to find out that they didn’t take too long to load. Hard to judge that since my own computer already has the site ‘cached’.
I think I need to reduce the picture size a bit, so that text can be incorporated in a separate box. I’ve got a resonable amount of info on the aircraft pictured now and the knowledgeable members of this forum have contributed quite a lot more recently.
I will go ahead I think and start a new site that gives viewers the ability to browse seperate subject folders. The PC’s mouse seems to ‘dance’ over the thumbnails in a slightly strange way which I don’t seem to be able to improve and I hope it’s not too off putting.
Alas no colour pics as all the ones I wish to include were taken between 1961 and 1964 when I was only shooting in b and w.
DT