german made recognition models of WW2 RAF a/c on e bay

Hi
Never seen these before , anyone know any details on them.
cheers
Jerry

item 110235883177

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Captured-German-Aircraft-Recognition-Model-DH-Mosquito_W0QQitemZ110235873709QQihZ001QQcategoryZ112473QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

bits & pieces

Hi
Just to add to the thread, my bits & pieces, mainly collected from crash sites in the 70’s ..

Some small stuff from whirlwinds (fighter) , likewise some typhoon / wellington / spitire and a few others, a few manuals..
I only shipped the small stuff when I emigrated.

Also ‘captured RAF’ stuff…
Ju-88 / DO-217 small bits ..
complete ‘bomb fusing’ panel from a falklands Pucara
small bits from another falklands Pucara
gauge off a falklands MB-339 ? ( type not confimed )

cheers
Jerry

Just an update as it has been quiet of late..

City balks at sale of museum’s vintage plane

Kim Guttormson
Calgary Herald

Thursday, March 06, 2008

A proposal to sell a Second World War-era plane encountered turbulence at a city committee Wednesday, with aldermen opposed to the vintage Mosquito leaving the country.

Hi
maybe all the e mails worked … 😀
cheers
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

Yes that would seem a sensible action, as the aim for the scheme seems to have been to remove the wing roundels.

Edit: Just zoomed right in to the Starkey graphic and I reckon you can see a couple of pixels of blue outside the white bands.

Fancy posting any of the photos?

All the best,

Steve.

Hi Steve
Pm sent
cheers
jerry

Op Rutter

The model does indeed have the markings applied for Operation Rutter. It is probably a model of 302 Sqn’s AA853 WX-C. This aircraft is also often erroneously described has having special markings applied for Operation Jubilee and the personal aircraft of W/Cdr Witorzeńć, commander of the 1st Polish Wing. There is even a story that goes with it.

Supposedly while at Croydon the Poles began to look for ways to facilitate quick recognition of friendly aircraft and came up with the idea of painting the noses of their Spitfires with white stripes. These were applied to W/C Cdr Witorzeńć’s aircraft as an experiment and the noses of a few other Spitfires were marked with chalk in preparation for painting. The whole scheme was abandoned because of lack of official RAF approval.

In fact the markings were introduced by Fighter Command signal on 5th July 1942 and abandoned by FC signal on 17th July. The same markings can be seen on photographs of 310 (Czech) and 331 (Norwegian) Sqn Spitfires taken in early July 1942. Also W/C Cdr Witorzeńć was commander the 2nd Polish Wing at Kirton-in-Lindsey at that time.

Operation Rutter was original plan to raid Dieppe on the 4th July 1942 but was abandoned due to bad weather. It was rescheduled to take place between the 18th and 23rd August 1942 and renamed Jubilee. (Compare the dates with FC signals.) Probably these markings have been described as applied for Dieppe and this has led to them being confused with Jubilee despite photographs taken during Jubilee and of shot down aircraft showing no special markings. Also it seems that every time an aircraft is seen with strange markings that are not D-Day stripes it is assumed that they were also for the Dieppe operation.

As there seems to be a limit on the amount of attachments in the forum I have put the photographs elsewhere. Hopefully this link will allow you to view them.

http://aolpictures.aol.co.uk/ap/viewShare.do?shareInfo=mFQYMXJcDsVGl83Yb4clHXmAW8vqIgg9xFTSOsfZRW1WGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d

Hi Antoni,
I am glad it is roughly what I thought it was, But I didn’t know the interesting story behind how they came about…
So now I just have to find the fighter command signal on 5th July 1942 for Op Rutter, to find what the markings for twin engined a/c were, As it is more likely now that due to this signal that 263Sq whirlwind’s could have carried these Op Rutter markings.
Thanks for posting the photo link.
Cheers
Jerry

The photo on page 9 of the +4 Whirlwind book clearly shows two white bands on the wings and a white nose, which in Whirlwind circles seems to be refered to as the ‘Dieppe Scheme’. The aircraft in the photo is also carring bombs, which makes it a Whirlibomber.

Hi
There is a photo in the series of photos taken, that I have seen and on the back is hand written in wartime :-

manston for the ‘invasion’

I think the photos are definitely taken in sept ’43 and the comment on the back of the photo refers to Op Starkey.
cheers
Jerry

There are at least three ‘unfound’ Whirlwind crashes in the UK, although there is no gaurantee teh MUs didn’t do an exemplary job of recovering them at the time. A work in progress there…

Hi
post or pm me the serials and I might save someone some time, being in canada, I am no threat to the sites, but I have been researching them since the 70’s and know most of those visited.
cheers
jerry

As People have been talking about static and flying replicas – I thought I would add a replica panel — as we have just finished a Nose Art panel of a Westland Whirlwind.

The Tramore Flyer was flow by F.O. Harvey DFC of 263 Squadron and was lost in 43.

It is at 1:3 scale at 80 cm long.

This was a custom panel for a collector.

Hi
Nice panel. 🙂
Does the panel represent P7090, the a/c F/O Philip Harvey was shot down in ? (or his more usual usual mounts P7010 or P7094 ) Most interesting as I didn’t have P7090 as HE-R, or the name ‘tramore flyer’ associated with it.
Is it linked to dunmore east, or bishop grove, county waterford, where he came from ?

Nice all this new stuff on whirlwinds turning up this last year. 😀 hopefully more in 2008 🙂
Cheers
jerry