photo
Hi
co-incidently a wartime print is for sale on e bay of P7110
currently £0.99, for a 8″ x 6 ” print ,
Not I might add for sale by me.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4727&item=6527796839
Cheers
Jerry
link
Hi,
came across this by accident & remembered this thread.
http://chat.carleton.ca/~jnoakes/ram/cc/cclibstd.html
Cheers
Jerry
info
Hi James,
Maybe it’s because the facts never quite add up when researching the story of the whirlwind , that makes it so interesting to me.
View it from westland / raf / air min / map , and it all has a slightly different story.
I so far have found the PRO files to be pretty good and un biased view, Mainly due to them containing letters written at the time between all the parties concerned, & reports written by pilots within days of flying the aircraft, There is even a narrative ( ? not sure if it’s the right title ) of the development/service and all the various reasons for the hold ups.
Might have been ‘1941 new types on the way ‘, but I tend to think the ‘alternative engines’ was a project/s, different to the MKII , which was first mentioned early 1940.
Maybe one day I will put all the research together.
Cheers
Jerry
history
Hi
quote ‘ the introduction of the larger Merlin would not have been practical’.
Strange ………. :confused:
This given that the main historic UK archive has a letter from Westland’s dated Jan ’41 , to the RAF, stating…
We are now able to, because of the solution to the undercarriage retracaction problems , to offer the install in the whirlwind of twin merlin XX engines, thus overcoming the difficulty of continuing to supply peregrine engines ..
From the horses mouth , as they say, in 1941, and preserved for history..
Maybe the account on the builder site is written in the 90/00’s without the availablity of the old correspondence preserved in the many archives.
Researching this a/c over 30 odd years gives a slightly
different story.
Also a by beaverbrook/dowding letter, that implies westlands had earlier than oct ’40 , offered to fit american engines to the whirlwind.
Presumably the V-1710’s of the P-38, this is one of a few areas I am still researching.
As is the Usn/Usaaf whirlwind.
The whirlwind is no doubt a subject that will take up many more years of my research time …
Slightly O/T , but whilst we are on whirly’s ,
Anyone come across the code letters ‘BT’ , as unit codes, or ‘ Y-BT’ as personal codes.
Cheers
Jerry
many thanks
Hi Wanshan & Tiornu,
Many many thanks to you both for the info & photo,
I have been trying to trace this ship for years, could never find the proof it existed.
Fantastic, made my weekend. 🙂
Cheers
Jerry
many thanks
Hi,
Many thanks again ,
Using the shipping company name , I have managed to find waterland mentioned on some HX convoys carrying aircraft, as deck cargo.
Just need to find a photo now..
Cheers
Jerry
thanks
Hi,
Many thanks for the info, i have been after something for many years,
Cheers
Jerry
As I’ve already stated, the Peregrine was designed specifically for the Whirlwind with a design output of under 1000hp. Rolls-Royce discovered that reverse rotation of the engine itself was a total pain in the a**e. This paid dividends later when designing the Hornet powerplants but..
What has the Whirlwind got to do with a potential shortage of Merlins?
Hi,
Not sure on the peregrine was designed for the whirlwind, thought it was the other way around,Petter designing the P.9 around the smallest available in line engine.
But agree with the :-
What has the Whirlwind got to do with a potential shortage of Merlins?
Cheers
Jerry
Let’s not start this again. The shortage of Merlins that fitting Peregrines was supposed to alleviate never happened and the production figures for merlins show that the shortage would not have happened any way as the Packard production of them prevented it.
Hi,
The peregrine was stopped long before the packard merlin were made.
The decision to make packards’s was made in sept ‘ 40 and the first packard didn’t leave the line until ’42
So it was technically possible , for about almost two years , that there could have been a merlin shortage, given that the uk production facility could be bombed at anytime
Cheers
Jerry
cannons
Hi Setter,
You might be able to answer a question for me ,
Could a Oerlikon be fitted in place of a hispano ?
I imagine at least all the mounts would be different, any ideas if this was feasible ? or a no go ?
Did something like shell feeding make it impossible.
It’s just something I was told years ago that some were fitted to a typhoon, but I can’t see any advantage, and never been able to prove / disprove.
Cheers
Jerry
photos
Hi,
found the photos on page 66 of typhoon & tempest by Mason, caption reads :-
‘ two views of ex-No 181 squadron typhoon R8831 / EL-U on test with 500Lb bombs ( photos via R.C.Strurtivant )’
If … this was the first flight of 500lbs, double the previous load, it would make sense to remove the cannons, to see how the a/c handled with the new load.
Also explains why there are so many different angles of the a/c, if it was under test.
Cheers
Jerry
female ferry pilots
Hi,
Often wish there was more written on the female pilots in WW2, Anyone know any decent books ?
The female ferry pilots apparently delivered such a/c as lanc’s / stirlings / whirlwinds, even tiffies … as I understand it the guns were un-armed on all a/c.
I understand [not wishing to do go too much o/t] that the russian had front line female pilots.
Cheers
Jerry
cannons
Hi,
If there are short barreled typhoons it’s a new one on me.
There was supposedly Oerlikon cannons used in place of Hispano, but this was disputed, last time I mentioned this in a thread on another board.
Always assumed as the only photos seem to be of a series EL-U , R8831, from different angles, that the cannons for some reason [weight ?] are removed.
Can’t see how the cannon would work cut off, wasn’t the end the recoil spring?
FR I B’s had one pair of cannons removed and fairings this length, but they housed the cameras.
Cheers
Jerry
Four or five years ago I collected some Lancaster URLs. One of these was for a German sub-aqua club (in Thuringia) had a link to the crash site of (they said) JA 973 “JO-O” of 463 Squadron, which crashed into a lake in the vicinity of Merseburg in January 1944 (I expect someone else here can verify this). They implied there may be another Lancaster in the same lake. The site now comes up as “404 datei nicht gefunden” – it was http://www.tthdf.de/flugzeug.html at the time. If anyone knows whether this group still has its page I’d be interested to know what it is now. Googling pulls up the same URL and the same 404s.
I seem to recall a French group pulling large chunks of Lancaster out of a lake in France too.
Rob / Kansan
http://www.tthdf.de/index2.html
under
tauchbergungen
the fun party looks interesting !!
lakes
Hi
I think the russian lakes are more productive, discussed on another board some time ago there is a russian lake with about 5 or 6 AR-196’s sunk by holing the floats , by deaprting luftwaffe, unfortunately the lake supplies a large city’s drinking water, which apparently is stopping recovery.
Think there was a few more other a/c in other lakes, but can’t remember them all.
Cheers
Jerry