Without saying to a mod I could have told you so – the writing was on the wall

Hi KabirT

Without saying to a mod I could have told you so – the writing was on the wall for many Asian airlines growing faster than they could cope with.

Forecasting software is hardly able to cope with major natural disasters and phenomenal economic collapses. These airlines strategies were based on erroneous forecasts with very little real knowledge of markets or the global airline industry.

This situation will face many of the BRIC countries in the next few years as hopes of cashing in on globalisation fade rapidly.

In countries with their feet firmly on the ground and being able to tighten their belts even more (I include UK in this as although we may seem in a ‘mess’ it isn’t as bad in comparison) they will pull through this economic recession.

In UK research brains, innovation and good marketing will help.

The removal of two errant Scottish banks and the recovery of the Billions lent to them from the UK taxpayer should make good sense in the next few months.

The 2 countries to watch now are China and Brazil

I am late but not too late – just seen the BBC news

My condolences to the family and RIP to the soul lost.

As yet no name at family’s request.

Sad that it has occurred at Scampton and attempted ejection while on the ground.

Not a good year for the Reds as they may have just been getting over Flt Lt Jon Egging’s tragic death. Now this.

Days before Remembrance Sunday too.

Sadly we have heard this lament elsewhere on the forum…

Sadly we have heard this lament elsewhere on the forum…

London, London, London is the hub of the Universe it appears (as far as UK goes anyway)

EDI is a brilliant airport and if sustained and developed it offers a great secondary hub as it’s proximity to the Nordic countries, Iceland and even cutting down distances to Canada and North America.

Edinburgh as a city has everything going for it commercially and the only tragedy that tarnished it’s recent reputation and still is doing is that the ‘rogue’ banks now Government sustained have their homes near the airport one closer to the airport than the other.

Let’s see if the world can be brave and rid themselves permanently of the burden of these two dinosaurs that are demanding even more government (UK taxpayers handouts to the tune of billions again) to survive.

Convert the banks buildings in Gyle and Gogarbrun to fantastic ready made hospitals and make all the staff in the banks redundant as ‘banking’ staff and employ them as carers and hospital staff offering those able to make it the chance to train as nurses and other medically related professions.

These charletons have destroyed too many lives, homes and companies to get away with more government hand outs and have tarnished Edinburgh and Scotland’s reputation for years to come.

EDI can greatly blame their loss in future business on these greedy banks x 2.

Official report, premature book/s, the important thing is what have the pilots learnt

Official report, premature book/s, the important thing is what have the pilots learnt?

Sure the official report is not in final form yet. – Of course there will always be other technical aspects that will rear their heads up before and after – some good some bad but as long as the result is for the betterment and improvement of civil/commercial flying it is what progress is. The final report will be an end point from a BEA perspective but science and knowledge advance at great pace.

Ralph (27Vet) has already said a book based on “Lost in Translation” – Lethal and what about those bereaved. Does the author have any sensitivity.

What are pilots in high density FBW aircraft doing about improving their true flying skills when the FBW goes as “t.ts” up as it did on this occasion?
No good a licensed pilot worrying about being a System Administrator or Electronics wizard when at 35,000 feet an otherwise perfect flight gets into trouble. Take control disengage all auto controls and test the aircraft and its handling, radio a mayday as other aircraft in the area will respond, switch on landing lights it will give some chance of seeing obstructions (terrain – mountains, etc) or even wave tops.

Ralph already stated what Sully Sullenberger (Hudson fame) said about AF447 and I echoed Ralph’s post too. Sully said – AF447 will be a “seminal case” and it must for pilots.

This is not a complete Airbus failure, engineering failure, (sure pitots iced up – but weather radar was set to low threshold hence masked the massive storm) but one for Air France and other airlines to take immediate note. Please train, train and train pilots on real stuff not purely simulators. Train free from FBW for emergency drill and recovery.

Yes it’s expensive but so is the reputation of every good Airline, the manufacturer and live passengers and flight crew sell seats. A good BRAND is hard to restore when lives are lost and International Press headlines scream out words like ‘manslaughter, etc’.

My ‘plumb line’ works and would have worked. Blue tack, fishing line and a car key (as weight) along with a micro torch – quite legal in cockpit or in pocket of any pilot who wishes to fly and stay alive.

Thanks for that Derek

Thanks for that Derek:)

Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories

I must say that it must have been a scary ride!!! Yikes!!!

Grandfather of FO probably a Kamikaze pilot whose son passed on the stories of his death in the name of Imperial Japan and grandson FO decided he would see how he got on trying what he does in his Pitts Special in a 737.

If the Captain hadn’t returned from the ‘John’ maybe we would have seen a carbon copy of China Airlines B747. Inverted flying of a 737 like a Pitts.:cool:

Great testing to near destruction for Boeing without risking their own test pilots.:D

I think it includes his personal hours on a Pitts Special I guess

The 38 year old FO had more than 35,000 flying hours…somehow I don’t think so!

It does say Total flying hours – I guess many of those hours are in his own Pitts Special:rolleyes: